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What have we become as a country?

Discussion in 'Personal' started by MAGAorMIGA, Oct 15, 2019.

  1. MAGAorMIGA

    MAGAorMIGA Star commenter

    We seem to have created a toxic "hostile immigration environment." Is this populist politicians reacting to what they believe to be the public mood? Should we really be denying 9 year olds the chance to live with their mothers, or deporting women to countries they've never lived in, with a horrendous record for sexual violence against women?

    I'm ashamed to be British right now.

    https://www.theguardian.com/educati...public-of-congo-never-visited-sexual-violence
     
  2. dumpty

    dumpty Star commenter

    The article does not seem to offer any reason or explanation as to why she was denied a visa to stay.
     
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  3. needabreak

    needabreak Star commenter

    Would she prefer Nigeria? You come here to study and presumably get a visa to do so, visa ends and you expect what exactly?
     
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  4. LondonCanary

    LondonCanary Star commenter

    A bit harsh but it does appear she and the others mentioned failed to investigate their migration status beyond their immediate personal circumstances. These are highly educated people. Why do they not think it through?
     
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  5. florian gassmann

    florian gassmann Star commenter

    She has a video on her twitter account which is so long and wandering that I wouldn't be surprised if Home Office officials had lost the will to live before she got to the end. As far as I can gather, she came to the UK on a Congolese passport which expired and was not renewed while she was here. She also had annual tourist visas for Nigeria, which they eventually refused to renew, and she broke the terms of her UK student visa either by being out of the country for more days in a year than are allowed or for staying more than 4 months beyond the end of the course.
     
  6. Oscillatingass

    Oscillatingass Star commenter

    If she kicks up enough fuss, doubtless she will be allowed to stay even though she has no entitlement.
     
  7. oldsomeman

    oldsomeman Star commenter

    Not all folk come with honest intent. Often its to avoid going through the process of applying to stay as a resident.
    They know the criteria sometimes, yet choose to ignore it.
    I am not sure this reflects on the Uk and makes us any more worse than other places.Some are even more stricter .
     
  8. Oscillatingass

    Oscillatingass Star commenter

    I know what you mean, olds. I just think some people are desperate to portray the UK as some kind of evil proto fascist state when actually it is one of the best countries in which to live hence the numbers so desperate to get here and live here. I have said this many times before, the UK is by no means perfect but there are few places better.
     
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  9. FrankWolley

    FrankWolley Star commenter


    Nigeria won't accept her. She's not Nigerian.

    As it says in the article:

    Asani does not have the option of returning to Nigeria as her family was on a temporary residence permit there, which they had to renew each year. When she visits her mother, a dental surgeon in Nigeria, she now has to apply for a visitor’s visa. The Nigerian embassy has made it clear they intend to refuse her most recent application for a visitor’s permit, in part because they are concerned about her UK visa running out. “The UK government says they don’t believe this, but I sent them extensive documentary evidence proving it,” she says.
     
  10. oldsomeman

    oldsomeman Star commenter

    The thing is we can om=nly believe what we are told. There are always 2 sides to any story but I dislike the nation being portrayed as evil by some.
    I would much sooner make sure all those who came here in good faith from the Carribean stayed than others who came and overstayed their welcome
     
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  11. needabreak

    needabreak Star commenter

    My question was about where she would prefer to go and what did she expect when her visa ran out.
     
  12. colacao17

    colacao17 Occasional commenter

    Perhaps a glimmer of hope on the hostile environment front, the child itizenship fees (1000GBP I believe) have been ruled unlawful. Breaking news and no link yet.
     
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  13. Ivartheboneless

    Ivartheboneless Star commenter

    It will get worse, and for UK citizens too. The racists are in power. Human and civil rights are under fire. Together with everything else the Tories have in their not so hidden agenda.
     
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  14. physicsfanboy

    physicsfanboy Occasional commenter

    Although you are right, it's not even the racism that's the most depressing thing about them. They are probably going to be too busy stealing everything and dismantling every public service to find much time to oppress minority groups. They'll simply allow the less decent members of the population to do it on their behalf.
     
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  15. lexus300

    lexus300 Star commenter

    Why is it wrong to deport someone who has outstayed their visa/legal entitlement to be here?
    Why is it wrong to deport an illegal immigrant?
     
  16. oldsomeman

    oldsomeman Star commenter

    Can you back all these claims, or are you just stirring it because you hate the present government?
     
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  17. Jonntyboy

    Jonntyboy Occasional commenter

    <Yawn> Excuse me. May I politely suggest that you give your fabrications and fantasies a rest? You will only get agreement from those who already have your own worldview and you are highly unlikely to convince any of us who have a more rational take on the world.
     
  18. Jonntyboy

    Jonntyboy Occasional commenter

    No, of course he can't. They are just the wild products of too much reading of Socialist Worker or similar...

    I'm sure he does hate the present government, but I don't think he's stirring. I think he actually believes what he writes.

    To me, that's a bit frightening.
     
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  19. Kandahar

    Kandahar Lead commenter

    Don't over excite yourself. Corbyn's Labour lost.
     
  20. Jonntyboy

    Jonntyboy Occasional commenter

    "We"? I haven't created anything like that.

    I'm not only proud, but grateful, to be British. Britain, for all its faults, is arguably the most successful, tolerant, open, law-abiding, decent and fair-minded country that has ever existed in modern times.

    If you believe that anyone and everyone who wants to come and live and work here and take advantage of the services and benefits that we offer should be allowed to you, you have every right to to take that view.

    But it is neither rational nor sustainable, and to state or imply that anyone who thinks differently is racist is infantile.
     

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