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What do you think of Primary schools hiring sports coaches to deliver PE and sports sessions?

Discussion in 'Education news' started by TheaThompson, May 23, 2018.

  1. TheaThompson

    TheaThompson New commenter

    I’m undertaking a MSc in Sports Coaching, but did my undergrad in Primary Education so I experiencing some conflicting views. Please don’t be shy and tell me what you think?
  2. drvs

    drvs Star commenter

    Not really cool in poorly funded primary schools that are cutting back on essential staffing / drumming out experienced teachers / charging parents for stationery / falling into decline ... but great in primary schools which have everything happily in place and can afford to apportion some of the budget to hiring in proper expertise.
  3. TheaThompson

    TheaThompson New commenter

    So in the schools that coaches are being used, do you think they are improving children’s learning or are they just a device for PPA cover?
  4. drvs

    drvs Star commenter

    Are the two mutually exclusive in your view?
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  5. TheaThompson

    TheaThompson New commenter

    I’m in a biased situation, as I am teacher and a sports coach. I beleive coaches could be a devise for PPA and improve children’s learning, but I have seen cases where the coaches have just been left with a class and had no idea on the learning styles of the pupils.
  6. phlogiston

    phlogiston Star commenter

    They don't have to be mutually exclusive - the children get taught sports by specialist coaches while the teachers do their PPA. No different to my wife being contracted to go and do lessons in music, maths, history, art or whatever while colleagues do PPA.
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  7. simonCOAL

    simonCOAL Occasional commenter

    Using expertise for PPA cover is a good idea. As @phlogiston says, it doesn’t matter which subject.
    I was always delighted when the PPA teacher was a music specialist because they could give my class a much better music lesson than I ever could (basically me sticking on a CD from a bought-in scheme and reading the teacher notes).

    The argument against is the de-skilling of teachers. Personally, I’d go with highly skilled coach.

    You mention learning styles. Put your tin hat on if you dare to cite that around these parts!

    One last point. Please don’t be offended, but as someone who supervises MA in Education students, you’d have to work hard to convince me of the validity of research gained from comments made in a forum like this.
    How do you know that I’m not actually an astrophysicist just looking for the chance of a good trolling session?
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  8. lindenlea

    lindenlea Star commenter

    I was very glad of it as a primary teacher with no interest in sport.
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  9. simonCOAL

    simonCOAL Occasional commenter

    There will e a lot of support for this.
  10. simonCOAL

    simonCOAL Occasional commenter

    A lot will agree with this.
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  11. chelsea2

    chelsea2 Star commenter

    As an ex-primary teacher whose subject was PE, I hated it when coaches started to be brought in to cover people's PPA by doing PE. It may be better now, but my experiences were:
    - no schemes of work followed, so no continuity or progression across skills or year groups, and a narrow range of activities provided;
    - poor behaviour by pupils & poor behaviour management by coaches - this was a challenging school, but allowing children to opt out of PE & roam the school is NEVER acceptable - neither is allowing them to participate without changing;
    - health & safety issues (e.g. allowing jewellery to be worn, and long hair not tied back);
    - coaches who came & went but had no real involvement in the schools or the children.

    Back in the day, primary teachers had reasonable training in teaching more than just the core subjects. In one primary school of 8 classes, 3 of us were primary teachers with a specialism in PE. As co-ordinator, I drew up a comprehensive scheme of work, and there was a LOT of support available for those who were less confident teaching PE. And in Y6, I swapped my music to teach the parallel class one of their PE lessons. But those days are long gone. :(
  12. simonCOAL

    simonCOAL Occasional commenter

    Ditto. Loved it.

    Good questions raised about the quality of the coaches, though.

    If Antonio's out of a job next season, he can come and do some coaching.:cool:
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  13. harsh-but-fair

    harsh-but-fair Star commenter

  14. galerider123

    galerider123 Lead commenter

    As PE is one of the most popular lessons, there can be a bit of a sense of someone else gets to do the main carrot lesson whereas you are left with the harder graft lessons ...
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  15. neddyfonk

    neddyfonk Lead commenter

    Surely the same question should apply to any non-teacher leading any activity or imparting expert knowledge in their field. Vicars doing assemblies, Stem ambassadors doing science topics, children's authors talking about their books or the police doing road safety.
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  16. TheaThompson

    TheaThompson New commenter

    Some schools get coaches in when their teachers have PPA. Do you think teachers should be responsible for taking PE lessons?
  17. TheaThompson

    TheaThompson New commenter

    What if I had no interest in Maths? As a primary teacher I am still expected to teach it. Why do you think for PE this is different?
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  18. TheaThompson

    TheaThompson New commenter

    I’m not offended. I have posted this question on a coaches forum, here and twitter but also have set up phone interviews with teachers. Accompanying my work there will be a section on validity; how true are people’s opinions and if the source can even be trusted?
  19. lindenlea

    lindenlea Star commenter

    @TheaThompson . I had to demonstrate competence in Maths and English before I could train to be a primary teacher. I also had to reach a certain academic standard to enter the profession that would indicate I had the intellectual capacity to engage with the academic aspects of the primary curriculum. I also had an inborn ability and acquired skill and experience in Music which was really a matter of luck for me and my pupils. I had an interest in fitness but just no interest in sports. I could take an effective skills based PE lesson if I had good resources / s of w to work from but genuinely struggled to remember the rules of simple games or teach the class in a games context. it was not fair on the classes frankly. I took classes swimming and could use typed up skills lessons quite happily with a group if these were provided by the swimming teachers.
    I appreciated the expert help with sport and my classes enjoyed being taught by enthusiasts.
  20. Lalex123

    Lalex123 Established commenter

    This has happened with music for years. Many of my colleagues have been given time on their timetable to go to their local primary school as a music teacher and to persuade the students to choose their secondary school.

    I have found that many primary teachers have neither the appropriate equipment or ability to teach music at a meaningful level and so either it is taught poorly or dropped completely. I’m sure this will be the same for most non core subjects.

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