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What do you think of Gavin's plan for September?

Discussion in 'Personal' started by littlejackhorner, Jul 3, 2020.

  1. littlejackhorner

    littlejackhorner Occasional commenter

    I use the term plan quite loosely because the plan seems to be everyone back in September and individual heads can work out how to keep everyone safe. At least then, if there's an outbreak it's the fault of the HT, not the government.
    How on earth are staggered lunchtimes going to work when bubbles need to be kept apart? What happens if there are repeated single infections within a bubble? Surely some groups will end up with very disrupted education. How will PPA be organised? If it's a cover supervisor, then that completely negates the class or year group bubble. What about toilets? In the school that I volunteer in about 90 children use one set of toilets. Surely this creates issues around bubbles mixing and how do you ensure that the toilets are kept clean? Will exams and tests still go ahead and if so, how fair will that be? Some classes may have had a year with very little disruption, whilst others may have had several 2 week stints of self isolation.
    I'm sure there are many more issues and the likes of the daily mail would accuse me of being negative and not wanting children back at school. I really do want children back in school, as do teachers and their unions. But surely our children and teachers deserve a better, more well thought through plan than this?
  2. LiamD

    LiamD Occasional commenter

    If "The best laid schemes o' mice an' men gan' aft agley", what hope has this shocker of a plan?
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  3. Yoda-

    Yoda- Lead commenter

    Distraction is a powerful strategy.

    Distract the teachers with the guidelines. They will get sucked into trying to implement them. Whether it's possible doesn't matter. Problems will be down to them. Something won't have been done!

    Kenneth Baker distracted Teachers by implementing the National Curriculum years ago. OFSTED another distraction. Teachers need to recognise that they are being set up to fail yet again.
  4. stopwatch

    stopwatch Lead commenter

  5. jonnymarr

    jonnymarr Occasional commenter

  6. Jolly_Roger15

    Jolly_Roger15 Star commenter

    As Captain Blackadder might have said about this, "There is one, tiny flaw with Gavin's plan: it's boll.ocks!"
  7. Aquamarina1234

    Aquamarina1234 Star commenter

    One word: unworkable.
  8. littlejackhorner

    littlejackhorner Occasional commenter

    Stop putting up barriers. You need to be far more open minded. You probably got this negative thought from your unions!
  9. WB

    WB Lead commenter

    I’m not disagreeing but what do people suggest as a way forward?

    Do we open part time, keep schools shut?

    What is the best solution?
  10. rararasputin

    rararasputin Lead commenter

    Best solution? Stop promising every year group in every day. Y7, Y11 and Y13 in every day. Other year groups every other day. Don't ask me how you'd timetable that - above my pay grade!
  11. red_observer

    red_observer Star commenter

    Great post
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  12. red_observer

    red_observer Star commenter

    It’s hard to move away from that suggestion but say you have 50 minute lessons that’s only 5/6 subjects a day unless you have two rolling days.

    my thoughts are they will try to get say, Y7, 8 and 9 on one day and then 10,11 and 12/13 next day. That may do it. Keep numbers reduced, spread kids around.

    I really can’t see ALL pupils in the school in in one day. It just can’t work.
    And when they are off they have to work on line but god knows how a teacher manages that! It’s Herculean!
  13. hplovegame48

    hplovegame48 Occasional commenter

    I just hear the theme tune when I see Williamson.

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  14. CheeseMongler

    CheeseMongler Lead commenter

    My issue with the government "plans" for schools re-opening is that they don't seem to have priorities. Do they want the schools to re-open so that students do not miss out on their education, or do they want schools to re-open to provide child-care and enable parents to get back to work? In an ideal world, obviously we'd do both but, as most teaching professionals realise, this isn't going to be possible (whilst maintaining any sort of effective social distancing).
    If the priority is to ensure students do not miss out on their education, then surely (for secondary) we need to make sure that Y10 - Y13 are in school for their lessons.
    If the priority is to get parents back to work and provide child care, then the priority should be to get Y7-9 back in as they are the least likely to be able to be left at home alone.
    If the government could commit to one of these priorities, schools would find it easier to manage the social distancing. The government doesn't seem to have the courage to choose and is just trying to keep everyone happy.
  15. littlejackhorner

    littlejackhorner Occasional commenter

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  16. littlejackhorner

    littlejackhorner Occasional commenter

    Don't know what happened to my post there but my response to WB is within their quoted post!
  17. Mr_Ed

    Mr_Ed Established commenter

    This is not permitted and I think* any school trying it would likely get an (unpleasant) visit from OFSTED early in 2021 because the guidance states: "We are asking schools to prepare for all pupils to return full time from the start of the autumn term, including those in school-based nurseries. Schools should not put in place rotas."

    This has been thought about in the guidance or to put it another way a paragraph in the guidance is included that basically means Cover Supervisors, ETAs and HLTAs who work across the whole school - covering PPA for example, just have to risk it: "All teachers and other staff can operate across different classes and year groups in order to facilitate the delivery of the school timetable. This will be particularly important for secondary schools. Where staff need to move between classes and year groups, they should try and keep their distance from pupils and other staff as much as they can, ideally 2 metres from other adults. Again, we recognise this is not likely to be possible with younger children and teachers in primary schools can still work across groups if that is needed to enable a full educational offer."

    The bit causing most contention in my place was this;

    "...arrange classrooms with forward facing desks".

    I quite like that idea (my school however, does not) and I was hoping to use this new guidance to support my case to arrange the desks that way, but when I mentioned this in a meeting yesterday, the immediate response was, "...well that ain't going to happen" (from a member of staff more senior than me). *Which begs the question: is this guidance, guidance or is it mandatory?
    Last edited: Jul 3, 2020
  18. lilachardy

    lilachardy Star commenter

    Okay, so what would you do?

    Just close schools for the next 10 years?
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  19. hhhh

    hhhh Star commenter

    Prioritise the most vulnerable. There are some households where all/both/the only parent/carer works in a job they can't do at home. In my area, most households, at least one parent doesn't work, or will be able to work at home, and would support their child not being in school in order to leave FT school places for those who really need them.
    Most parents were fine about only keyworkers/the vulnerable having places before, and they'd be perfectly happy about their child only being offered a couple of days a week for next year-and they'll wait until this can be organised. They're not stupid-they understand that thousands of kids can't mix/have lunch and a full, well 'setted' timetable of individualised lessons with the unlimited specialist staff who will appear from nowhere so there's no cross-contamination...they realise that if it's not safe to go on a bus/to a restaurant without masks and distancing, or to have more than 30 at a wedding, schools aren't safe either.
    Is anyone a union rep? How are they fighting it-I've not yet had any emails about ballots etc?
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  20. Aquamarina1234

    Aquamarina1234 Star commenter

    @lilachardy the snappy: Its not actually my job to organise national state education.
    No, I'd have started lockdown earlier, kept it tighter for longer and then we'd be in a much better place to be re-opening schools to all in September.

    As it is the love-me-love-me government wants to have its cake and eat it. You should not NOT be expecting 1300 kids back in school all at the same time while the infection rate is as high as it is. The school I just left was rammed with pupils in a decaying building and many of the corridors are 6ft wide. The fire service commented on it. There is no way you can socially distance effectively in rooms that were already cramped. You cannot expect small children to effectively self isolate. You can't say in one breath "be a bubble" for epidemiological reasons and in the next "unless it proves logistically difficult." Well, you can, because he did.

    I agree with CheeseMongler. The government might be saying it's thinking about the poor children's education but all they're doing is coming up with half-baked suggestions to make schools "safe" that they must know don't hold water or they wouldn't be threatening parents with fines for not being taken in by it. They want the economy up and running and are prepared to risk public health to achieve it.

    I accept we can't live like this forever but I'd actually rather not die of Covid either. If it had been better handled at the outset, and if more citizens weren't selfish entitled Covidiots, had more effective enforcement, we might be in a place where the plans would be workable. But we're not, and after the latest round of relaxation (pubs, restaurants, foreign travel) I can only see R going up. So I like not this plan. Bring me a different plan.

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