Correct me if I am wrong but earlier on you said you 'hit the roof' and 'dish out sanctions' to children who don't behave themselves. May I suggest that your extrinsic rewards are not the only motivating factor at work here? I'm not sure about hitting the roof but you deserve credit for disciplining those who won't/can't control themselves. You have also said that self discipline is something that most people develop naturally over time - I generally agree with this and suppose that this is why this thread annoys me. If the latter statement is true why are people trying to take credit for what is a natural process? It is bit like boasting that the children in your class have grown a couple of inches over the last year because you taught them how to grow. If one gets children to behave because they are a disciplinarian then there ought to be no shame in saying so but I'm extremely sceptical that the emotional maturity of most adults is something that can be taught to children.