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What do schools pay to agencies for a teacher?

Discussion in 'Supply teaching' started by anon1165, Dec 12, 2010.

  1. Hi all, does anyone have reliable info about this? I.e when a school asks the agency for a teacher for a day or half-day, what does the school pay? Thanks!
     
  2. Hi all, does anyone have reliable info about this? I.e when a school asks the agency for a teacher for a day or half-day, what does the school pay? Thanks!
     
  3. gruoch

    gruoch Occasional commenter

    Nowadays I think they negotiate a rate with the school. Mine pays £130 a day and charges the school £160, but it varies from agency to agency and area to area.
     
  4. VelvetChalk

    VelvetChalk New commenter

    It can vary, I get 100 quid a day.

    Not sure about my agency charge but I have heard of agencies charging 220 for a day and the teaching getting juts half of that...
     
  5. When I worked at an independent school, the head rather rudely called me in and told me that I was costing them a small fortune.
    He turned his computer screen towards me and showed me the total (incl. VAT) which the agency charged the school. It was £238 per day.
    I was covering a long term sickness absence and I was later told that schools have insurance against this.

     
  6. PlymouthMaid

    PlymouthMaid Occasional commenter

    When I was an NQT 5 years ago my agency charged the school £159 for me a day and i got £85. The school admin lady told me this.
     
  7. The schools are not bothered what we get they are only bothered about what they are being charged by the agency.
    So bottom line agencies who offer great prices to schools are simply grinding us lot down.
    Some silly teacher asked me about rates as he/she was thinking of taking the supply option. Thought they would be paid to scale like we used to be even by agencies.
    Pay to scale is history for us lot.
    However moaning schools tend to forget that pension contributions are not being payed, sick pay is not paid, also they have the hire and fire option at a moments notice, such is the nature of Temp work.
    My good agencies do not take that big a cut. I do not work for the big bad bully agencies and their fleabitten umbrella contracts.
     
  8. +Vat !?!?!?!?! Agency staff are 0 vat rated, which means they can only charge VAT on their services. Mad mad mad. Anyway, supply is ***, get out.
     
  9. If you do supply through the County Council supply register you get paid on the MPS.
    Independent agencies charge different rates thus pay supply teachers differing rates.
    I'm on CC register plus independent supply agency.
     
  10. Generally a supply agency will charge between £150 and £180 plus VAT for a supply teacher. As schools don't have to pay VAT they get this back, so you can easily work out what you get paid and what cut the agency is taking. However, don't forget to add in employers NI that the agency will need to pay on your behalf.
    For example (at the lower end):
    Teachers pay £120 per day, plus 12.8% (employers NI) = £135.36
    £150 - £135.36 = £14.64
    So, in this example, the agency makes £14.64 Gross proffit.
    (at the upper end)
    Teachers pay £120 per day, plus 12.8% (employers NI) = £135.36
    £180 - £135.36 = £44.64
    So, in this example, the agency makes £44.64 Gross profit
     
  11. Looks good and accurate to me. Fits in with what a consultant told me last year She said they made about 20 quid gross profit on a day booking. Although I never generally trust what an agency say she also said they operate pretty tight systems on overheads and slick operating.
    A good agency not ripping of schools and not ripping of supply teachers.
     
  12. mereside

    mereside New commenter

    Some agencies want to make a fortune out of your work.. Last summer term I worked 3 days a week at a school in the North West. I asked the Head why he was recruiting through an agency rather than the LA's supply service and he told me that they had told him that they did not have anyone on their books that fitted the profile he wanted. He was surprised when I told him that I was on the LA list. He told me he was paying the agency £189 per day and that if I had been paid through the LA it would have cost £170, ie my scale pay of £160 plus £10. The agency wanted to pay me £119. I held out and got £150. We would have ditched the agency but the Head was worried they could be caught on "introduction" charges.
     
  13. Agencies are desperate for the bookings and are now cutting their charges. I currently pay anything from £159 for an NQT to £185 for an experienced teacher. I book according to need of the class to be covered.
     
  14. Hmmm. Looks like I'm being ripped off. I get paid £90 for a day (less deductions for holiday pay, tax and NI) in schools in the north Gloucestershire area: admittedly some agencies offer up to £110. I accept that the agency has to cover its costs and make a profit but if they are getting £150 to £180 per day for my work I think something is wrong somewhere.
    The information will be helpful when I approach schools directly.
     
  15. select pay NQT £85 and charge school £138.
    (Head showed me the bill).
     
  16. jubilee

    jubilee Lead commenter

    In all the cost-cutting going on at the moment, why is the government not considering a return to the ol, pre LMS (Local Managemnt by Schools) days when LAs took care of the staff payroll.
    Schools had a budget for books and equipment and , based on the number of pupils in the school and things like Special Needs , the LA decided how many teaching and non-teaching staff were required in each establishment. The schools still interviewed and recruited staff but were not constrained in their choice by where the candidates were on the payscale. They made their choice and the LA picked up the tab
    If someone was away, short or long-term term, the LA supply register provided a replacement. Nobody was trying to make a profit out of the supply teacher. Instead of multiple agency offices fighting for the available work, there was one LA officeand one register and more likelihood of a teacher with the correct specialism being sent to each school.

     
  17. Lara mfl 05

    Lara mfl 05 Star commenter

    Oh, how sensuble that would be jubilee!
    ut I'm afraid with budgets allocated as they are now there's little chance. I know with the growth of Academies, who pull out of LA funding schools which are left have to contribute more to any LA services.
     
  18. magic surf bus

    magic surf bus Star commenter

    It strikes me that for LA supply pools to be abolished, some accountant at head office must have calculated that it was cheaper to pay an agency than to permanently staff and run a supply pool.

    Or am I being too simplistic here? I stand open to correction.
     

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