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What a surprise

Discussion in 'Education news' started by gainly, Nov 21, 2019.

  1. yasf

    yasf Established commenter

    Anyone that has taught in the far east will know that most students - once finished with your 6/7 hour day will then do up to another 6 hours afterwards. Everyday.
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  2. dumbbells66

    dumbbells66 Lead commenter

    Its why i never put any importance on PISA scores.
  3. JL48

    JL48 Star commenter

    I used to use them as a stick to beat the Americans with when I taught overseas.
  4. dumbbells66

    dumbbells66 Lead commenter

    But there are so many sticks to beat them with, its hardly fair
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  5. install

    install Star commenter

    Gotta say that has been my experience too. In worse cases I have seen dire management of finances by some hts; restructuring to get rid of expensive staff only to bring back the original structure some time after; awful and distant governors never ever talking to teachers to double check what they were being told - and sadly lazy slt in places too keen to claim credit for success on the back of their latest scapegoat teacher.
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  6. JL48

    JL48 Star commenter

    The best argument yet against giving schools financial independence. Well done guys :)
  7. install

    install Star commenter

    It is fascinating when it comes to some leaders and school finances.

    And in some schools that was the problem. Some hts took 'financial independence' to mean the money was fir them (and sometimes not the school at all). Financial independence for schools is not a good thing where there are dodgy hts / ceos imho.
  8. JL48

    JL48 Star commenter

    Problem is there are too many schools and not enough good leaders. It's why the LEA system was / is necessary.
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  9. Rott Weiler

    Rott Weiler Star commenter Forum guide

    China rigs its PISA rankings by only allowing PISA to assess 4 regions (high performing ones selected by China obvs). China won't allow PISA to assess the whole China education system. China would certainly not rank at number 1 if it did.
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  10. alex_teccy

    alex_teccy Lead commenter

    I suspected as much.
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  11. JL48

    JL48 Star commenter

    They also bus in bright kids from other areas to the four cities to boost their scores.
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  12. install

    install Star commenter

    Agree. And rhere needs to be more accountability and checks for hts / ceos imo.
  13. Jonntyboy

    Jonntyboy Lead commenter

    I also agree. But I gather that there were in the past extremely good LEAs that did well and extremely poor LEAs that didn't. Also, though I wasn't around teaching then, I'm told that in some cases the political interference was appalling.

    Given that, putting sustained effort into training a lot more really good leaders might appear to be one reasonable way to go... !
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  14. JL48

    JL48 Star commenter

    That would have been a relatively easy fix - just give the LEAs more independence. And it's not as though it's not appalling now. It just comes from central government and the DM.
    Believe it or not, that's been done already. Surely you can feel the benefit . . . o_O
  15. Jonntyboy

    Jonntyboy Lead commenter

    Lol. Indeed. Not enough, clearly, yet!

    But I meant that the political interference by the LEAs was appalling... don't forget, they were all run by one party or another - weren't they?

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