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West tying to start WW3

Discussion in 'Personal' started by red_observer, Nov 26, 2018.

  1. red_observer

    red_observer Star commenter

    i an fearful of the outcome of the recent Ukraine-Russia clashes in the Crimea. The West is egging on Porishenko the gangster and illegal occupant of the presidency in Kiev. Of course Russia will be the bad boys and further sanctions will undoubtedly follow. I can’t see why the rest is ploughing along this course other than to destabilise Moscow. It will further deepen Putins popularity and further anti democratic policies from the corrupt Putin. I wish the West would have more sense I. The way it deals with Russia.
     
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  2. smoothnewt

    smoothnewt Star commenter

    I thought that NATO and the UN were acting as peace brokers by having meetings with representatives from both countries today.
     
  3. red_observer

    red_observer Star commenter

    Well not seen that but why is nato getting involved?
     
  4. lanokia

    lanokia Star commenter

    Grrr that wicked West forcing Russia to seize Ukrainian ships...

    Forcing them to injure Ukrainian sailors...

    Forcing Russia to destabilise eastern Ukraine...

    Forcing Russia to illegally annex Crimea...

    God, will the West just not stop in its wickedness.
     
  5. red_observer

    red_observer Star commenter

    I am sorry to say that I cannot expect you to make a lot of sense on this topic given that you have made false claims about me when you refuse to apologise afterwards it rather hurts. Therefore I cannot take your posts other than with levity I’m afraid.
     
  6. Geoff Thomas

    Geoff Thomas Star commenter

    The problem Ukraine has is the Russian-speaking, Russian-identifying population in the eastern parts of the country.

    The ones whose parents and grandparents were moved in after the mass famine which was engineered to get rid of the locals.

    Putin is reaping what Stalin sowed.
     
  7. FrankWolley

    FrankWolley Star commenter


    The mass famine that was (or wasn't) genocide...
     
  8. Geoff Thomas

    Geoff Thomas Star commenter

    Just in conversation with a friend in Minsk.

    It seems all commercial flights between Ukraine and Russia are suspended.

    Many use Minsk as a hub between Russia and Ukraine. This morning, Russian passengers were turned back at the passport check in Kiev, Belarussians permitted to enter (or continue their journeys)
     
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  9. oldsomeman

    oldsomeman Star commenter

    Codswallop is all I say to your comment Red.
     
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  10. red_observer

    red_observer Star commenter

    I don’t care anything what you think with rudeness like that.
     
  11. oldsomeman

    oldsomeman Star commenter

    Fair enough. If you think that's rude then you ain't seen nothing!
     
  12. FrankWolley

    FrankWolley Star commenter

  13. oldsomeman

    oldsomeman Star commenter

    Frank. Why do you, as a historian, feel Russia is looking for conflict?
    I am wondering if the leader of the nation is trying to prove something or just unhinged, or maybe seeking a form of revenge to stir up so many issues with his forces.
     
  14. Mainwaring

    Mainwaring Lead commenter

    West tying to start WW3

    As in 'Tie a yellow ribbon on the old oak tree?'

    But have no fear. I've already seen this scenario play out in 'Madame Secretary'. That McCord woman is a wonder. She solves every international crisis in less than an hour.

    I have to declare an interest: In 1852 Mrs M's great x 3 grandfather William won a clasp to his Crimea medal for pulverising the Russians with shot and shell at Sebastopol. DNA reveals that William was also my own third cousin (the gene pool was small in Victorian Abram and there wasn't much else to do when you came home from the pit).


     
  15. red_observer

    red_observer Star commenter

    Frank I don’t agree. Why would they? Remember ww2? They want respect and peace not war. They feel the West disrespects then and is using Ukraine to wind them up. That’s my perspective. I may be wrong. But it’s his I feel. Ukraine deserves better too. Poroshenko is a corrupt oligarch the West has invested in. As we do in Saudi, we are backing the wrong horse. What did Lord Salisbury say in the 1870s when describing British support for the corrupt Ottoman Empire? “We have backed the wrong horse.”
     
  16. red_observer

    red_observer Star commenter

    Now there you do have something OSM.
     
  17. Photo51

    Photo51 Established commenter

    I remember WW2. That's the one where the Soviet Union invaded Poland without declaring war
     
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  18. red_observer

    red_observer Star commenter

    Was this the same war Britain appeased Hitler rather than deal with Stalin and prevent war? The same war that before have Poland had an authoritarian right wing government? Have you read anything about this topic?
     
  19. Photo51

    Photo51 Established commenter

    No that happened before the war started. We didn't want a second foreign war.
    I don't think that made it OK for the Soviet Union to invade Poland and massacre the Polish officer and intelligentsia class?
     
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  20. lanokia

    lanokia Star commenter

    You mean WW2 where they invaded and annexed Latvia, Estonia, Lithuania, Bessarabia and Eastern Polandon , so assisting the fascist dissection and slaughter of Europe? Where they launched a war of aggression against Finland?

    And that shows they want respect to you?
     
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