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West Midlands Police's unusually enthusiastic restraint technique

Discussion in 'Personal' started by Vince_Ulam, Mar 11, 2019.

  1. Vince_Ulam

    Vince_Ulam Star commenter

    I expect this will take a minimum of two years to be investigated and all four officers involved, when they return to active duty from fully paid leave, will be told not to do it again:

    At least not while the door is open.
    Last edited: Mar 11, 2019
  2. neddyfonk

    neddyfonk Lead commenter

    I think I will reserve judgement until more background information explains why the officer seems to hitting the top of the mans' head.
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  3. Vince_Ulam

    Vince_Ulam Star commenter

    With a can of PAVA spray, according to news reports.

    That officer must have read the instructions about not spraying it in a confined space. Very diligent of him.
  4. Stiltskin

    Stiltskin Star commenter

    Looking at the video it appears as though something sprays out a couple of times, which makes the female police officer back off. Hopefully some of them have BWVs which can be reviewed.
  5. Vince_Ulam

    Vince_Ulam Star commenter

    Correction: Five officers.
  6. sparklesparkle

    sparklesparkle Established commenter

    The video was posted by Russia Today.

    Do you consider that to be a credible source?

    How on earth would anyone know it's the West Midlands police? The title just says "UK Police". Does the message at the end refer to this incident, or something else? Why is there a sound of breaking crockery in time with the beatings? Isn't that a bit...theatrical?
    Last edited: Mar 11, 2019
  7. Vince_Ulam

    Vince_Ulam Star commenter

    This incident has been widely reported and West Midlands police are investigating the bodycam footage.

  8. Scintillant

    Scintillant Star commenter

    Because a full 24 hours ago the West Mids force said they were reviewing the footage from those cameras that were being worn by their officers
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  9. lanokia

    lanokia Star commenter

    Need to see more... like what happened before it... I accept the optics look terrible...
  10. Vince_Ulam

    Vince_Ulam Star commenter

    Ask the West Midlands police who are currently reviewing the bodycam footage.

    Because the police are stumbling across crockery.
  11. florian gassmann

    florian gassmann Star commenter

    As Humberside Police did before them (the person who first posted the video claimed it was Humberside Police filmed in Hull).

    West Midlands have asked its Professional Standards Department to examine the images to see if the matter should be referred to the Independent Office for Police Conduct.

    Of course, West Midlands do have a certain reputation ...
  12. Vince_Ulam

    Vince_Ulam Star commenter

    Have you a reference for this?
  13. florian gassmann

    florian gassmann Star commenter

    "It was initially reported that the footage may have featured Humberside Police officers, however that force later said an investigation into several of its officers was "not in relation" to the incident shown."


    The same report was carried by other papers, including the Daily Mirror. See also the local paper:


    ... which says:

    However, the source of the video or where or when it was filmed is unclear.

    It first appeared on the Twitter account of American media columnist CJ Werleman in the Middle East who describes himself as "an activist against Islamophobia".

    He wrote: "Six Humberside (UK) police officers have been suspended for this carrying out this vicious attack on a British Muslim man."​

    Since then, West Midlands has, I believe, confirmed that it is of their officers.
  14. Vince_Ulam

    Vince_Ulam Star commenter

    Mr. Werleman posted the footage to Twitter and linked it to Humberside police on the 10th March but, in fact, it first appeared on the 9th March in a different account and was not linked by that user to Humberside police:

  15. Scintillant

    Scintillant Star commenter

    I'm unsure as to how they would be reviewing the bodycam footage when the police were not their's.
  16. florian gassmann

    florian gassmann Star commenter

    Isn't that so frequently the problem with Twitter? Things need to be verified before assumptions are made.
  17. Vince_Ulam

    Vince_Ulam Star commenter

    We can assume that West Midlands police have verified that the people in the video are their officers else we might have expected a denial rather than an investigation via bodycam footage.
  18. Aquamarina1234

    Aquamarina1234 Star commenter

    Assumption (sic) . You usually ask for evidence.
    I'm you supported the presumption of innocence on another thread, Vince.
    What's different about this?
  19. sparklesparkle

    sparklesparkle Established commenter

    Tragic, just tragic.


    RT has been frequently described as a propaganda outlet for the Russian government and its foreign policy. RT has also been accused of spreading disinformation by news reporters, including some former RT reporters. The United Kingdom media regulator, Ofcom, has repeatedly found RT to have breached its rules on impartiality and of broadcasting "materially misleading" content. RT's editor-in-chief compared it with the Russian Army and Defence Ministry, and talked about it "waging the information war against the entire Western world."
  20. Vince_Ulam

    Vince_Ulam Star commenter

    How comic.

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