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Weak Subject Knowlege Shoould I Proceed?

Discussion in 'Computing and ICT' started by it1, Nov 25, 2011.

  1. it1

    it1 New commenter

    Some PGCE providers make you do skill boosters after auditing your ICT skills.
     
  2. No.

    ICT a subject which in many schools is regarded as core. Its not a stepping stone.

    Out of interest? How are you a confident teacher in other subjects when you've not been through any teacher training?

    In no way meant to sound offensive however it is a gripe when non trained people claim to be able to teach, just because they have been to school. Its a profession. Students attending lessons in ICT need to be taught by people who have a passion for the subject. Anything less sells them short.
     
  3. I understand what you are saying however times are hard. I would have liked to teach primary but I was told that with a 2:2 and only a small amount of experice to go for ICT as it would be easier to get a place rather than apply for primary and potentially end up with nothing. I would like to try and get the PGCE and the swap if that's possible.

    I can teach french and Spanish but again I do not have any formal qulifications. I have been tutoring and Teaching adult classes etc and therefore feel confident whereas my degree does not relate at all to what is taught in secondary ICT, many of my friends who teach IT say the same thing, be an expert in MS Office.
     
  4. Orion

    Orion New commenter

    Just browsing and thought I would add this....I would not worry as I have not seen any ICT content which is above the skill of most general well up people who can use a computer. If you were doing computing programs then maybe but if you are a bit technical then ICT is a simple subject. I am not sure why most school have not just got rid of ICT and put it into the general curricula. It really is a skill which fits into a context.
    Why learn about computers when you should be learning a subject which happens to use a computer. If I was not a teacher I would hardly use a PC at all. Also if training to teach pick a real subject and do ICT as a hobby!
     
  5. Just to be wary though, you may train for ICT now but the majority of available jobs will be for Computing by the time you graduate!!
     
  6. It's so transparently obvious that theOP is a Mymouse sock-troll posting a provocative ******** question to provoke the usual 'any-idiot-can-teach-ICT-because-it's-****' comments that you really shouldn't be responding.
    It will only encourage him.
     
  7. This is so delusional.
    I'm willing to believe that there will be fewer ICT jobs; but more CS jobs?
    That's just laughable.
    An obscure, difficult to pass qualification for masochists with a pass rate and average grading that is far less appealing to headmasters than any number of more fancied ******** qualifications.
    Can't see that setting the World alight.


     
  8. Most headmasters are *** anyway so who cares what they think of it or what they think of ICT :) Regardless of subject, whenever they need help with their computer you can be sure they'll still want to call on someone from the ICT, sorry scratch that, IT, or rather Computing department.
     
  9. Don't worry about subject knowledge. ICT doesn't have any!! If you can download from itunes and order you cornflakes from Tesco on-line you're a "digital native" and don't need to understand what's going on!!
    We'll that's what Mr Gove's "expert panel" told me anyway!!!!! :-o
     
  10. PaulDG

    PaulDG Occasional commenter

    Assuming this is a genuine query..

    I wouldn't worry about subject knowledge if I were you - most graduates of almost every field have enough subject knowledge to teach almost anything (except MFL) to GCSE, so if you are convinced you want to teach and can persuade a ITT provider you are keen, that should not be a barrier.

    But there are plenty of other barriers. The big ones are the workload and managing the behaviour of the kids.

    Unless you get to teach in an excellent school with a great catchment, behaviour is going to be the constant problem - and in many schools, just getting out of the room with no injuries and all the computers still in working order is a major achievement!

    So you need to work out pretty quickly if that's the sort of thing you can actually face 27 times a week (when you finally qualify).

    And that leads us to the other barrier - actually getting a job!

    There aren't all that many jobs going at the moment, this site currently lists under 100 jobs nationally in the so-called shortage subject "maths", and there are fewer in ICT because not only is it optional at KS4 but many schools will simply place any "spare" teacher they have in ICT because, yes, it really can be taught by any competent graduate (like most subjects).

    And you've told us you've a 2:2... Well, I hate to break it to you, but there are a lot of Russell group graduates out there with 2:1s and Firsts who are looking for jobs as teachers so you're going to have to look better than them if you want to work in one of the better schools. You'll even face better qualified competition when applying to the sink comp/academy.

    So go for it (if you're genuine) if you feel it's something you really, really want to do.

    But don't be surprised if you end up with little more to show for it than a student loan debt in a year or so's time.
     
  11. PaulDG

    PaulDG Occasional commenter

    I just checked the search engine and things are worse than I believed. There are 11 vacancies in maths advertised in the UK and 1 in ICT.

    With a non-subject specific high-grade degree, you're going to have to really stand out as an excellent teacher to get a sniff of an interview, let alone an actual job!

    I don't think it's a good time to be considering spending nine grand on an ITT course...
     
  12. At an interview for ICT PGCE you'll find that tutors definitely ARE interested in subject knowledge. Most candidates worry that they'll be asked something which will be so specialist that they will not know the answer. This is seldom what floors candidates. What most find a challenge is the breadth of what you may be asked about. If you've spent 3 years at uni digging ever deeper into Java you'll find yourself asked "what would the main steps be in developing a group activity in making and editing a short animated movie" ........... or "What you you say if a pupil asked you what "trusted sites" are in terms of the Internet".
    I suggest that you buy a GCSE ICT revision guide and make sure that you are at least familiar with the scope of ICT as taught in schools.
    Many tutors will be looking for creative and innovative answers rather than the worlds greatest expert in one aspect of computing. They will also be looking at you and asking "to what extent am I confident that this person is capable of identifying their own knowledge gaps and prepared to make the effort to fill them".
    Good luck!
     
  13. I'd wager a few job openings for ICT teachers in the summer of 2013 - but as is the general concensus that KS4 computing or some element of theory will be necessary (especially as exams/external assessments are coming back for the vocationals) at the very least the technical knowledge needed to teach the subject safely will be at a higher standard than previous. That's no bad thing - as a HoD I'd want the best, most skilled and enthusiastic teachers teaching my subject and looking to the future and wanting to branch out into Computing, programming and systems - I know what I'd be looking for in potential candidates!
     
  14. Re. " I know what I'd be looking for in potential candidates!"
    A snappy suit and a smart pair of brogues?
    The new Mr OFSTED says it makes all the difference!! :)
     

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