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We have a problem with racist police in the UK too

Discussion in 'Personal' started by Morninglover, Jun 18, 2020.

  1. Oscillatingass

    Oscillatingass Star commenter

    Not when you pushing a certain agenda, there isn't.
    alex_teccy and nomad like this.
  2. Morninglover

    Morninglover Star commenter

    The newspaper extract says her PTSD was triggered by the way she was treated. I'd say that conclusion required a diagnosis. Which is what I said. It's also what she has said in interviews I've heard on radio with her.
  3. nomad

    nomad Star commenter

    An assumption only.
  4. racroesus

    racroesus Star commenter

    She is supernatural.
  5. racroesus

    racroesus Star commenter

    Yeah, that and the beard, walking down the Shankill Road.

    Shankill Road
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  6. Morninglover

    Morninglover Star commenter

    Since her lawyers were prepared to bring it up in Court (before the prosecution decided not to proceed), I think it's a reasonable assumption.
  7. irs1054

    irs1054 Star commenter

    The nurse was under no obligation to get out of the car just because the policeman wanted her to and was actually right to object to an unlawful search of her car. The officer had no grounds whatsoever to ask for such a search and had no legal authority at that point to insist.

    Once the nurse objected, the officer crossed the line by inventing an excuse "searching for stolen goods", he was no longer acting in accordance with his duty and the nurse could not be obstructing the police in the executing of their duty because they weren't acting in accordance with their duty.

    The police are usually reasonable but that does not mean there are no bad pennies as in this case. The problem is that as long as they are not held to account then some people will suffer the same fate as this completely innocent woman. The Police complaints system still shows itself to be completely partisan and not fit for purpose.

    In theory the body cam of the police officer should be a safeguard but in practice it is not because, if a freedom of information request is put in, it is amazing how often the footage is deleted.

    Having your own footage is the best safeguard to protect your rights.
  8. lizziescat

    lizziescat Star commenter

  9. alex_teccy

    alex_teccy Star commenter

    What evidence do you have that he has a racist mind-set?
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  10. florian gassmann

    florian gassmann Star commenter

    Be that as it may, is it really sensible for anyone to refuse to obey the instructions of a police officer? Not only does it give the police reason to think she might have something to hide, but arguing the toss is certain to escalate the situation.
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  11. WB

    WB Star commenter

    If I was a traffic officer going out today, I'd be tempted to turn a blind eye to black divers.

    If I stopped one, a crowd of people would gather around and film me and no matter what I do I'm on the news tonight.
    alex_teccy likes this.
  12. Morninglover

    Morninglover Star commenter

    There is plenty of evidence to reach that conclusion in the various newspaper reports of this case. Some have been referred to with links earlier in this thread. If you are really interested, check it out.
    monicabilongame likes this.
  13. alex_teccy

    alex_teccy Star commenter

    Ok so I’ve watched the video. Where’s the racism?
  14. irs1054

    irs1054 Star commenter

    First, it was not an instruction, it was a request which did not at that stage have the force of law. The other point, given that the officer(s) were intent on harm then yes, who knows what they may have planted. The other unlawful thing that police do in this situation is to try and gain possession of the car keys which, in effect, holds you hostage. The police rely upon people's ignorance of the law to abuse the law and they shouldn't.

    The stop was supposed to be about a dark tint glass, you don't need to search a car regarding that, there was an ulterior motive going on.

    Would you argue if you were walking along the pavement and an officer, out of the blue, insisted on searching you and requiring your name and address under Section 50?

    Rubbish to both points. What escalated the situation was the officer's ego and bad attitude. Officers such as this have to be held to account otherwise we slither down the slope to a police state.

    We must be prepared to uphold high the standards of policing we deserve and not accept sub-standard officers such as these. The police do their job by consent, as soon as rubbish officers such as this lose that consent for their collegues, then we are all in trouble.

    The thing to remember is that the woman was totally innocent of any wrongdoing at any stage. The poilice were in the wrong from the first sentence onwards.
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  15. Morninglover

    Morninglover Star commenter

    There are none so blind as those who will not see.
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  16. florian gassmann

    florian gassmann Star commenter

    The nurse escalated the situation by refusing to wind down the window, and then refusing to get out. The immediate suspicion, coupled with the darkened windows, is inevitably that she may have something to hide.

    Intent on harm? Where do you get that from?

    Of course not. I was brought up to have respect for the law and to co-operate with the police. As a result, my dealings with them have always been pleasant and polite.
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  17. alex_teccy

    alex_teccy Star commenter

    So in other words... there isn’t any.
  18. circuskevin

    circuskevin Established commenter

  19. circuskevin

    circuskevin Established commenter

    I, of course, have made balloon animals for the police when stopped ... :)
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  20. circuskevin

    circuskevin Established commenter

    Do you know any black people @florian gassmann ?

    A black muslim who grew up with monkeys was showing me pictures of his home village about a week ago ... :)

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