1. This site uses cookies. By continuing to use this site, you are agreeing to our use of cookies. Learn More.
  2. Hi Guest, welcome to the TES Community!

    Connect with like-minded education professionals and have your say on the issues that matter to you.

    Don't forget to look at the how to guide.

    Dismiss Notice

we art teachers are being slagged off!

Discussion in 'Art and design' started by oldtimer 2, Jun 13, 2006.

  1. Have you got it all done Manc?
    I know it's just ever ending - only a few more weeks before the mocks and it all starts again..you will be ok...just remember, it's only a job.
    I will be thinking about you.
  2. manc

    manc New commenter


    Who said art wasn't important? You're confused.

    BTW, all school subjects could set out their rationale in list-form if they wanted to impress outsiders. So what?
  3. Manc i am giving my support to you. Come on you can do, you can get all that marking done.

    This is why you keep coming back to this topic isn't it. Deep down you know we are the supportive bunch.

    Come on people, support manc in their attempt to get all that work done. Poor soul, you will get your Christmas this year.
  4. jono1701

    jono1701 New commenter

    Maybe we art bunch can make ribbons to wear, or supportive rubber wristbands. Make Marking History!
  5. I love it but surely we can be more creative than just doing the ribbon thing.
  6. Maybe we could make an installation to represent the inner anguish of the English teacher who gets paid the same as the Art teacher, it could consist of piles and piles of books, similar to Rachel Whiteread's boxes at the Tate.... with manc perched on top.

    Hope you managed to get all your marking done today manc, we're right behind you 110%. GO MANC GO!!!!!!!!
  7. A fund for all 'POET's may be a good idea?
    (P oor O verworked E nglish T eachers )
  8. jono1701

    jono1701 New commenter

    Maybe a performance art based piece or video installation would be the way to go. With so many techniques and disciplines to choose from it is ahrd for us to decide. maybe manc, with his obvious extensive knowledge of the creative fields of art and design could offer some input. that is if he's finished marking yet.
  9. manc

    manc New commenter

    No I haven't.

    Still, as long as that kettle's on the go in the art storeroom, all is well.
  10. Manc, I've just been reading these posts again and I wondered why Art teachers? Do teachers of subjects like Drama, D+T P.E. or Dance get to you?
  11. Another thought, you meantioned "CDT" (now D+T) and also "Home Economics" (now Food Technology) in one of your posts.
    I wondered if your opinions about Art teacher's workload may be based on the way Art was taught pre. N.Curr.?
    I could start to understand you more if you are talking about how Art was taught in the mid 80's.
    I am being serious when I say this and I am not trying to take the p**s.
    When I taught Art 20+ years ago, the marking load WAS considerably lighter......
  12. manc

    manc New commenter

    Dance - not totally stressful, I'd imagine

    Drama - lots of extra time needed to do shows. Mega time-consuming subject.

    PE - lots of extra-curric. too, particularly in independent schools

    CDT - opportunities for skiving quite high, I'd say.
  13. So manc, when did you retire?
  14. Indeed darkness, or perhaps he's just never ventured out of his cosy world of private education.
  15. "Dance - not too stressful"

    What about the argument of some subjects needing specialist skills that only we know how to teach. If you ask me, anyone in the school would be able to teach English. We've all done it for GCSE - so why wouldn't we? But can English teachers successsfully help students with Art (i.e. being good at it technically)? Do they know anything about Art? Could English teachers teach French? Dance? In most cases no. But I bet the Dance teacher could teach English....

    (although they would never choose to would they manc because of all the dam marking)
  16. manc

    manc New commenter

    I expect you're right. I also am useless at car mechanics, plumbing and flower arranging, and I expect mechnaics, plumbers and florists could all have a bash at teaching English.

    So now I understand. The value of the subject is in direct proportion to how many people know how to do it.

    But which subject takes the most time to deliver, I wonder?
  17. Obviously yours if you pontificate in your lessons as much as you do on here.

    The time it takes to 'deliver' (horrible word - what's wrong with 'teach?) a subject has a direct correlation with it's status as a core or or non-core subject as defined by the education department. What they base those decisions on, apart from tradition, could be argued to be short-sighted and rather prosaic.
  18. manc

    manc New commenter

    It's not very helpful to argue against the person rather than the content of the argument.

    Perhaps you'd prefer all the talkboards shut down, joli, in case there was a danger of someone having the temerity to 'pontificate'.
  19. I too am useless at plumbing, flower arranging etc...I don't think that I would be presume to know how time consuming these occupations are...until you've done it well yourself and all that.
    I am starting to thaw though...I just wish that you (Manc) hadn't labelled ALL Art teachers from the start- you'd probably be surprised how much some do.
    I have managed some really lazy teachers and yes, the sitting around drinking coffee does ring true - but I have also worked with Art teachers who spend many, many hours out of school time getting things done....maybe it could be about an individual teacher's attitude to work not the subject they teach?
  20. manc, I uphold the right for anyone to voice their opinion, as long as it's an informed one. I don't think yours is.

Share This Page