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We are reopening too early... David King

Discussion in 'Personal' started by red_observer, Aug 14, 2020.

  1. red_observer

    red_observer Star commenter

    Further restrictions are being lifted on Saturday including 300 spectators at the world snooker championships. Other indoor events like casinos are allowed to reopen. Professor Sir David King, speaking on BBC Breakfast says this is still too early given that the rate of infection is not on the way down AND before schools reopen and he fears a new spike. I agree with him. This government is playing with peoples lives just to enrich their donors pockets. Shameful.
  2. Jamvic

    Jamvic Star commenter

    I wonder if restrictions are being lifted so widely now so that that blame for any potential spike when schools go back can be diverted elsewhere. If there are problems come September then places other than schools can be subject to renewed restrictions instead of schools. Ensuring schools fully open & remain open has now become an ideological battleground for the government.
  3. LondonCanary

    LondonCanary Star commenter

    Do people involved with snooker donate to the Conservatives?
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  4. peakster

    peakster Star commenter

  5. red_observer

    red_observer Star commenter

    Excellent posts and I agree
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  6. red_observer

    red_observer Star commenter

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  7. peakster

    peakster Star commenter

    What constantly seems to be lacking is any sort of communication with the public. There are still quite a high number of cases each day and the number of deaths is only going down slowly. The numbers of deaths and testing numbers are constantly being changed or manipulated and to all intents and purposes it's almost impossible to tell what is really going on.

    I appreciate the economy must be got going again but it all seems so random as to the changes.

    Three weeks ago I was confident that we would be able to get schools open in September - I am much less confident now.
  8. red_observer

    red_observer Star commenter

    You don’t think schools will reopen?
  9. Ivartheboneless

    Ivartheboneless Star commenter

    Schools will open. Boris, the great arbiter and exemplar of morals, said it was our duty!
  10. red_observer

    red_observer Star commenter

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  11. Sally006

    Sally006 Lead commenter

    Just received a letter for my son to do a test (randomly selected I believe). Initially thought was from the Kings College Covid App that I report on daily. But actually it’s the Imperial College NHS one. All done by a home kit. I’m very sceptical as they are so unreliable. Much better to get done at a drive through centre. Honestly, when I had one done a whiles who the throat swab was ditched because the nice young lady had accidentally touched my tongue. Apparently, must not do that. I don’t have a hope of getting this right on my son nor he if he does it. To me postal tests are really a waste of time for research purposes. Just not sure I trust any of their data. If you are fit and able why not use the drive in centres?
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  12. peakster

    peakster Star commenter

    The lack of transparency and trust are becoming major issues.

    What is worse is I don't think they care - nor do we really know who is in charge although we assume Cummings is pulling the strings.

    There is little or no accountability or scrutiny of this government - parliament has become almost irrelevant and from September we will be getting these new Trump like press conferences too.

    But firstly we must face the issue of opening schools.
  13. Sally006

    Sally006 Lead commenter

    We seem to be lurching from one crisis of mismanagement to another on a daily basis!! A levels this week, GCSEs next and then opening schools let alone no deal Brexit. OMG.
  14. red_observer

    red_observer Star commenter

    It’s frightening isn’t it @Sally006
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  15. florian gassmann

    florian gassmann Star commenter

    The Imperial/NHS home test is not a PCR test like those used at drive-in centres. It is a serology test that looks for antibodies, and is adminstered at home by a tiny fingerprick blood sample. They can be 98.9% accurate if taken at least 3 weeks after infection (even asymptomatic infection).
  16. Wotton

    Wotton Lead commenter

    I've seen many people acting as if there is no virus. Neighbours standing talking ignoring social distancing, people passing in the street ignoring social distancing, not following the one out one in in local supermarket and being unable to count when a shop has restriction on the number in the shop.
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  17. peakster

    peakster Star commenter

    Do you not think that's part of the strategy though - Crisis - what Crisis ?
  18. Catgirl1964

    Catgirl1964 Senior commenter

    I agree about the lack of communication although if you spend some time you can still keep a track of the data when it is made known. The general trend at the moment seems to be a slow increase of numbers of cases and we are consistently at over 1000 a day at present which is worrying. Also, concerningly the exams results fiasco with GCSEs results yet to be debated seems to be taking the focus away from considering the issues surrounding reopening schools fully in September. I hope the unions keep applying pressure to get some changes made before it is too late.
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  19. florian gassmann

    florian gassmann Star commenter

    Well, the 7-day rolling average is 809 in a UK population of 67,886,011 (0.012%). Compared with the 5000 new cases a day in April, 809 is not so very large. More importantly, most of those 809 are younger people with few, if any, symptoms.

    The death rate is now down to almost single figures. It has been below 100 since the 4th of July. Many infections are now amongst the young, who tend not to die and often have only mild (if any) symptoms.

    Individual days are always going to vary. The 7-day rolling average is more reliable, and yesterday it was 809, down from 945 the previous day. Earlier, the numbers were going up, but largely as a result of the huge amount of testing now going on which reveals cases that previously went unnoticed. Other measures, such as surveys, phone apps, hospital admissions and mortality, are all well down - even in areas such as Leicester that have been in special measures.
    Last edited: Aug 14, 2020
  20. Ellakits

    Ellakits Lead commenter

    I’m not convinced it’s that coordinated.

    Starmer has broadly supported the easing of lockdown, earlier in the Summer he said that lockdown was causing hardship which was unacceptable.

    I think it’s just a drive to be seen to be winning in the part of the government. The opposition support the lifting as they don’t want to be seen to be responsible for job losses as firms go under.

    Across the political spectrum it’s a numbers game - deaths vs revenue lost.

    So many people are ignoring what few restrictions remain that I can only suppose they agree that a few dozen/hundred/thousand lives lost is an acceptable price to pay so they can go to the pub, cinema and gym. If wearing a mask is considered an unacceptable imposition, I doubt they would react well to the sort of measures which are needed to get on top of infection rates.

    And I agree, opening schools has become an ideological goal, rather than one rooted in any common sense.

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