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wanting ppa time at home

Discussion in 'Workplace dilemmas' started by fionn, Sep 2, 2011.

  1. anyone out there get this? we aren't allowed to leave the site during PPA time and just wondered what the general picture was like in other places?
  2. anyone out there get this? we aren't allowed to leave the site during PPA time and just wondered what the general picture was like in other places?
  3. We arent either in my current or last school. We were in my first school though. I think there are pros/cons/ For a classroom teacher I dont see the problem once the work is done. However now Im SMT I dont think it is feasible for HoDs, Heads of KS to be allowed to leave as they have to be available to support other staff and deal with issues.
    If you feel strongly about it and have genuine reasons for it why dont you approach your head to discuss it- if you get the work done I dont see what the problem would be....
  4. We are not allowed off the site either "in case we are needed"? The only time I have been allowed PPA at home is when my husband was taken into hospital!
  5. Middlemarch

    Middlemarch Star commenter

    You could certainly ask, but if the head refuses you've no right to have it. It's work and the head has a right to say it must be undertaken at your main place of work.
  6. bigbev

    bigbev New commenter

    I was so lucky in my last job as staff were allowed/positively encouraged to take their PPA at home. The head even sent out a memo for staff to express a preff to days and times people wanted their PPA at the start of each year but it was made clear these were just a preff but would be taken into account.
  7. "In case you are needed" is not relevant - it's your PPA time. You CAN NOT be asked to deal with anything else, whether SLT or not. Depressing that so many heads choose not to recognise it, and so many staff don't stand up to the Heads.
    Ultimately it is up to the Head if you are allowed home, however.
    Our Head initially refused, but now allows, because we convinced her that we would get far more done working at home, than by 2 or 3 of us being crammed into a small room without internet access.
    Bearing in mind you can't be given any other duties during your PPA time, if the Head isn't allowing you to go home, then basically it means they don't trust you to work at home.
    Not a great basis for a professional working relationship.
  8. bigbev

    bigbev New commenter

    My previous head's view was that staff were trusted to use their time wisely and as long as they carried out their job as they should when they choose to do their planning it was up to them. It also meant that you could arrange appointments in that time, be at home for deliveries etc and it really did help with worklife balance and your well being.
  9. Agreed.
    To be honest, does it matter if staff just go home and crash in front of TV for an hour before getting on with PPA work? All the preparation, assessment, etc has still got to be done at some point.
    I think most of us will acually do far more work, with the associated work/life balance benfits you mention if allowed home, than if forced to stay at school, where we we are constantly stopped from working by the head round the door, who always begins with "Sorry to interrupt, I know its you PPA tim, but...."
  10. langteacher

    langteacher Occasional commenter

    it would never have occurred to me to have my PPA time at home.
    what is the problem with staying in school?
  11. Not necessarily any problem. It depends what facilities are available.
    We had a tiny room with 2 work surfaces, no internet - often being shared by 3 teachers.
    Now we have a choice - some teachers still prefer to stay at school, but personally I prefer to go home, then I can get on with a task with good internet access if required, plenty of space, and best of all no interruptions.
    Can't see why any Head would have a problem allowing staff to use own judgement as to where they can work best. If he/she trusts them.
  12. bigbev

    bigbev New commenter

    Never anywhere to work undisturbed, often no computer/computer printer access or even incredibly slow networks in school.
    It is different, I guess, if you are released with a year group colleague to plan in pairs/ as a group.
  13. minnieminx

    minnieminx New commenter

    Definitely makes a difference. In my first year at my current school, we didn't have shared PPA and I went home every time. But last year (and will be this coming year) we had PPA blocked as a year group so both of us stayed at school and worked together. We CAN go home and sometimes it is nice to go to one or other person's house, but generally we stay at school, with access to school printers etc.

    At our school, we are all fully aware that we ought not to be disturbed, but very few teachers actually refuse to help out if asked. In fact only two that I know of, out of a staff of about 23. To be honest, if a child is kicking off in the corridor or classroom, I would hope any teacher worthy of that title would happily help their colleagues out, PPA time or not.
  14. We generally stay on site to take our PPA. I prefer to do that usually as it gives me best access to school resources, planning on the server and the photocopier etc if I want to use it. I also don't like carting bags of books home to mark, even if it was in PPA time.
    If I am logging lots of our APP on the computer system, then I sometimes do request to take it at home as the speed of the internet at school is dire.
    My friend works in a school where they all take their PPA at home. He is constantly telling me about DIY jobs and appointments that he has gone while on PPA. I doubt he rarely gets PPA type work done in that time. I know that there is an argument that 'as long as it gets done it doesn't matter' but I do worry that if it was common knowledge that some teachers spent vast quantities of PPA time doing non school related things, and still getting their jobs done, that it undermines the view of the need for PPA.
    Personally, I spend it planning and preparing resources that I would otherwise not get done. The differentiation I manage to achieve has definitely improved since PPA came into being.
  15. missgeo

    missgeo New commenter

    Part of it might be down to fairness. Popping home for an hour of PPA time might be feasible for some but others may live too far from the school to make it practical. I can imagine the staffroom squabbling now if it became known that some staff went home and spent there PPA time watching TV/doing a bit of shopping and others were forced by circumstance to stay and work.
  16. YesMrBronson

    YesMrBronson New commenter

    Except if the fire alarm should sound.
  17. is it a primary school thing to get to spend it at home because with 3 x 50min separate sessions in the middle of the day means that even if working from home where granted, it'd take me longer than the PPA period to actually drive home and back!
  18. becky70

    becky70 Occasional commenter

    Probably - the most common situation I've seen in primary is that you have your PPA all in one block and it's usually one afternoon (assuming you are FT) - hence many people choosing to go home if allowed.
  19. fantastischfish

    fantastischfish Established commenter

    Really? So if there was a fire during your PPA time you would refuse to assist in escorting children from the building? If another teacher nearby had a child in their classroom suddenly choke, or injure themselves, or attack another pupil, you would refuse to help them because you are on your PPA?
    I take my PPA time (secondary) in school in one hour slots and usually spend this time working in my classroom or the department office, if my classroom is needed for another lesson. I can think of many reasons why I might be needed during this time. I wouldn't accept being made to cover a planned absence in my PPA or to do other directed activities such as attend a meeting (that I didn't agree to) or do another directed activitity that wasn't directly related to my own planning and marking. However, I would certainly offer my help if circumstances required it, regardless of whether I'm on PPA. I'm not saying I'm a slave to the job, but I do recognise that occasionally things arise which might mean I need to help. It's called being part of a team.

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