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Want to move and teach in New Zealand - how??

Discussion in 'Teaching abroad' started by wolls, Oct 24, 2007.

  1. Chrissi T

    Chrissi T New commenter

    Hey sparkling spring water,
    I'm in a similar position to you. I came over in August (my OH has a job over here in Tauranga), I went on a massive tour of the south island, missing possible supply teachng in term 3 and got back a week and a half ago. I wish i hadn't done that now, would probably have been better doing a bit of supply work and getting my face known.
    I've applied for everything going in the local area (doing it when on the south island etc) but haven't heard anything yet from anyone. I normally pride myself on always at least being able to get an interview, not sure whether my CV is the right style for over here.
    I'm in the annoying position that I can't really just apply for anywhere as the OH has work here and he's quite lucky to have that as his industry (boat building etc) is pretty bad at the moment.
    Anyway don't give up hope. New Zealand is pretty lush from what i've seen so far (except for the oil spill right on my doorstep!) and at least the view is free!
    Chrissi t
  2. Hi guys. I'm a science teacher about to embark on the journey. I'm going to get my quals assessed but won't finish my MA in Education until next year. Should I wait till I have that before getting my quals assessed, or would it be easy to get that tagged on later. Any advice appreciated.
  3. mrswallow

    mrswallow Occasional commenter

    Personally I'd wait and do them all at once. I suspect you'd have to pay extra to get it tagged Don't know for sure though...
  4. Chrissi T

    Chrissi T New commenter

    So...finally got an interview for a local school (yay!). In a nutshell, all went well and I was offered the job (another big yay!)
    Big blow though is that OHs company now need him in Auckland. So i had to turn down the job (boo) and we're off to the big smoke in a few weeks. Am assuming the job situation will be a little bit better there, what with being a bigger place etc. Any tips from any jafas?
    Cheers in advance
    Chrissi t

  5. Consider carefully where you will live and try for a job with an easy commute. traffic congestion is a big problem though probably not any worse than many cities in the uk.
    South Auckland will have the most jobs on offer. Julie will be able to tell you all about there. The public transport system isn't great so you will need 2 cars- another reason to think about where you live.
    All the best. Shame you had to turn down the job you were offered.
  6. Chrissi T

    Chrissi T New commenter

    Hurrah, have managed to now get myself a job in Auckland, a ten minute walk from my house too!
    Now just need to tackle the work visa issue, am currently only on a 12 month working holiday visa. To make things complicated they took secondary teachers off of the long term skills shortage list on Monday. Typical eh?!

    Chrissi T
  7. Chrissi T, my husband has also accepted a teaching job in Auckland and we are just about to start the process of applying for the essential skills visa instead of the work to residence due to the profession being removed from the LTSSL. I'm told its basically the same process (same forms) however takes a bit longer to come through. I'm not sure how it works if your already in NZ but I'm sure there must be a way around it for the short term. A friend of mine (who is in NZ) was granted permanent residency within 7 weeks of posting her invitation to apply and she only had 100 points with a job offer.Therefore, perhaps, this might be an option for you as well - if time is an issue? Good luck with it all, still lots of red tape and hoops to jump through before we can even book our flights - YIKES!! but I'm sure it will all be worth it in the end.
  8. Hello everyone! It has been so long since I've been on here - so sorry - and I see there are a few newbies just embarking on their journey. Well, it's over 3 years now since we arrived and still no regrets about the move, although things in education in NZ have taken on a worryingly familiarity to what I wanted to leave behind... namely National Standards, which seems to be looking a lot like how SATs started many moons ago when I was but a spring chicken.... mmmm! We'll have to see how things progress, but I'm pretty sure I know what will be happening over the next few years.
    Anyway... we have had our first visit by family over the Summer holidays - my dad and sister for about 3 weeks and then my hubby's dad for 5 weeks - in fact he's still here, but leaves on Saturday. So it's been a busy Christmas, but so lovely to be able to show them where we are. (Even if the Summer was very late to arrive.)
    For those of you asking about jobs, well, the uncertainty of the new National Standards and all the changes that are happening in education means that schools have less money, so are being more careful with how they employ people. For example, in my school, we have not replaced 2 teacher aides and 2 teachers when they left - all to try and save money.
    There aren't as many jobs around at the moment - unless you want to be a principal - there's plenty of those!! But saying that, if you are an experienced teacher, with a proven track record, then you will be more appealing that newly qualified teachers. However, teachers who employ teachers from overseas have to prove that they were the best candidate and there were no NZ qualified teachers who could have done an equally good job - so for some principals it might be a little bit like too much hard work.
    I am still a very firm believer in that if it's meant to happen, then it will... so keep going everyone, if that is what you really, really, want to do - the journey may be difficult, but it's worth it (well, it has been for me).
    So what else is new with the Steeles? Well, my middle child has just started at College (Year 9), having left Primary School winning the dux award (aka clever clogs of the school) - so all is good. My eldest has just started year 11, so we are at the start of our first go at NCEA. Poor chap has been harrassed already about how important this year is...blah, blah, blah...!! Our youngest has just started year 7, so has gone in to the senior part of her Primary school, as it is a full primary (up to year 8). Hubby is still working for his UK company and emailing everything back and forth - and it all seems to be working out well still. I have changed year groups at school - I am now team leader for the Year 2 team - back to what I was doing before I left the UK. I am also the maths co-ordinator and have taken on reading recovery this year too - so it's all busy. (Plus we have ERO in 6 or so weeks... focussing on maths - gulp!)
    Other than that - life goes along as usual...
    Hope everyone is ok and remember if you want any help / advice - my email is julie@nzsteele.com
    J x
  9. mrswallow

    mrswallow Occasional commenter

    We went back to the UK for six weeks this summer/ winter. Thirty hours+ travelling with young Master S. Phew. It was nice to see people and drink decent beer, but..
    I'm glad I live here now. So, if you are about to embark on trying to move here, good luck. Keep at it and jump through the hoops. Kia kaha!
    In other news, we were so impressed with maternity services and support for mothers and children, we thought we test them out again sometime in August.

  10. Congrat Mr Swallow, must be all that fresh NZ air ....

  11. Hi Everyone,

    I?m a Maths teacher, Y7-Y13, currently working my way through the process and I think I?m doing ok. I?m just about to finish my Job in Hertfordshire, been working there for three years after moving from Scotland where I completed my PGDE and my NQT year. I just have a few questions, if any of you could help I?d really appreciate it. I?ve tried to skim through the 204!! Pages to see if I can find the answers

    I?ve booked my flights and arrive on the 1st November. Is there likely to be any jobs or supply around that time? Is that the start of term 4?

    I have just received my NZ passport ?, my dad was born in Auckland so I got citizenship through decent. I take it this means that I don?t need any sort of visa? And if so will I still be looked over for jobs because the schools have to make sure that there is not an NZ teacher who could do the job?

    I have received back my NZQA (well my mum has it in Scotland) and I think she said that my BSc was assessed at a level 6 and my PGDE at level 7?Is that the levels they should be?

    I am just filling in my NZTC app form and I am not sure about the police check. I recently got an Enhanced Disclosure CRB check for an agency in London that I am using to find work in September/October. Can I use the CRB as a police check? If not, where can I get one? Do I need one from Scotland and England?

    Is there anything else I need to do apart from setting up a bank account and National Insurance number (how do I do this)?

    What are my realistic job chances?

    Many thanks for any help,

  12. Personally I think that the beginning of November is a terrible time to be arriving, if you want to work straight away. It is halfway through term 4 and relief (supply) work will be almost impossible to get, meaning that you won't have any income until the beginning of Feb, assuming that you got a full-time job then. If not, it would be another few weeks until you started getting any relief work.
    Jobs of any kind are hard to come by at the moment, but if you can teach Cambridge maths you might have an edge as some schools teach that. The main recruitment season goes from Sep-Dec.
    Most secondary teachers start on Step 7 and if your NQT year is recognised, you'll start on Step 8 of the salary scale.
    I really suggest that you go to the TeachNZ site and do some fact-finding info there. If you still have questions, come back. People on this site prefer to help those who help themselves....e.g. a quick Google search would have told you what the term dates in NZ are and it would have been advisable to check that before booking your ticket.
  13. Hi,
    for the police check my CRB was not accepted I had to get one from the London Met. Not sure why, this was a few years ago and this may have changed. Write and email to the NZ Teachers Council and they will tell you what you need. We don't have national insurance numbers. Realistic job chances - low it is a tight market here at present. Not a lot of movement. As for arriving in November, certainly a bizarre time and not likely to even pick up relief work. Sorry.
  14. Suggest you try Epic, Tuatara or any of the Emersons range. England is no longer the only place for decent beer
  15. theNavigator

    theNavigator New commenter

    Dear adogmcj,
    I moved from Scotland back to NZ in November of last year (I am a Kiwi, but British trained). I managed to get a permanent full time position with a brilliant school by the end of the school year BUT it was because another teacher abandoned them and they needed someone quickly.
    HOWEVER, I started applying for jobs whilst still in the UK, from July onwards (for the ones starting in the new year. They may not accept you (though several offered skype interviews) because you're not here yet, but I'd give it a go anyway. I applied for any job, as far up as Kaitaia and as far south as a little school and hour and a half inland from Christchurch. In today's market, you need to be geographically flexible, at least for the first job!
    The NZQA are quite good at assessing your level, as long as they have all the relevant info. If they TC won't accept the disclosure, you'll have to try the full police check. They just need a current one, it doesn't matter if it's from Scotland or England. You don't need a work visa (I have 'descent' citizenship too). BTW, they have a reward scheme/'golden hello' for foreign trained teachers - several thousand dollars depending on where you trained and how long you've taught, when you secure an actual position. It can help!
    Wherever you first reside, sign up with the local schools as a supply teacher - go and talk with them. They will remember you and it's more likely they'll offer you work. Some schools (usually private, but not all) offer the international Cambridge exam system, but I'm finally getting my head around most aspects of NCEA (it took a while - more complicated than the Scottish system in terms of assessments) and it is quite interesting.
    In your cover letter (and CV) make it really clear you want to get involved in co-curricular activities (and can offer some yourself) as they really seem to like that.
    Like I said, be flexible, despite what the media and er...teachers, might say, it IS possible to get employment here. Hope this helps. :)
  16. theNavigator

    theNavigator New commenter

    PS. have you tried the Mata beer range? Their Fejoia beer (sounds hideous but isn't) is pretty good!
  17. mrswallow

    mrswallow Occasional commenter

    Ah, now. Where to start? OK, you are moving over halfway through a term, so you may find work is scarce. That said, we moved over at the same time of year and straight into a job. Keep applying from where you are.
    Levels for you qualifications sound about right. Check the PPTA website for the current pay scales and stuff. This bit is vitally important- if you get written affirmations of where you have worked and for how long, then you can use this as evidence to move up the pay scales. This is dealt with by School Support and will be backdated to when you start. Also on the money front, there is an International Relocation Grant of about $5000. Apply for this within a year of arrival.
    You will also need a letter from your iNQT provider school stating you went through an induction year and what you did in your induction year. This will save you a year of being a Provisionally Registered Teacher. You will still have to do a year as a PRT mind you, but won't have to do two years. NZTC will have more info though.(Any letters from schools, need to be on headed note-paper, signed and dated and have the contact details of the person listed)
    Police check? Well, it was a wee while ago, but I thought it had to come from the local police force and you contact them directly. I may be wrong, but I don't think a CRB will count. (My wife who is shoulder surfing at the moment and spell checking and apostrophe checking says that the police check forms and information are on the NZ Immigration website.)
    If you have a NZ passport then you don't need a visa and you don't need to queue so much at the airport [​IMG].
    It may be that NZ trained teachers are given 'preference' becuase they know the system better. It takes a while to get used to the NZQA/ NCEA way of doing things. (BUT Maths you say? There will be jobs. Education Gazette is the place to look) Broadly, although the content is similar, the style of delivery and assessment is very different. And odd.
    The beer debate?? Well, yes there are some pretty good beers available in NZ. Especially if you find yourself in Nelson for the Marchfest. There are an increasing number of micro-breweries and artisan brewers and most supermarkets carry a reasonable range.I tend to prefer real ales that are a) not carbonated and b) served at cellar temperature. There aren't many establishments that are able to serve warm, flat beer. Duke of Wellington in Dunedin springs to mind, and the late lamented Twisted Hop in Christchurch, but it is a bit of a specialist market. Pubs here tend to be where pubs were in the UK a few years ago. Limited range of fizzy cold beers all from one brewery. (TBH the word 'decent' is very subjective and was meant slightly tongue-in-cheek. Also I don't drink as much beer as I used to, I tend not to drink at home so much (Mac's Sassy Red is pretty good when I do though..) and as mentioned the real ale revolution is yet to really take off here. And all that said, I don't like evry pint of real ale I have ever drunk, so just becuase it is real ale, doesn't make it decent. I'm happy to meet up with anyone and debate the pros and cons of different beers and sample as many as possible with them. Marchfest next year anyone?

  18. I agree that mid- November is a lousy time. As our senior students are moving into study leave we would cover gaps with internal cover and save the school a salary until Jan 28th. Nevertheless Maths is a shortage subject- we might get half a dozen applicants for Maths compared to 70+ for a PE position. Your best bet would be an LTR to cover a maternity or just get on relief lists. In your favour as you have experience you would teach a full timetable, which is an easy fit mid-year, whilst those others job hunting tend to be graduates who have been unable to get jobs but would be classed as beginning teachers with a 0.8 load which would still leave the school a 1 day per week gap.
    You must register on Edgazette so that you can get in quick for vacancies- we interview from overseas by phone and skype as do other low decile schools. However without TC Registration we wouldn't look at you.
    Good luck
  19. However, I am now advertising for a teacher for Year 9 and 10 Science and Maths asap until the end of the year.
  20. I registered with an agency and got an interview with a school. The skype interview was a bit weird but thankfully I got it! It's a februarynstart but they have said that they'll give me part time work or supply/relief in the school when I arrive in November. Chuffed to bits! Thanks for the advice anyways.

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