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Virus in China and Contract already signed!

Discussion in 'Teaching abroad' started by gilderbeast2000, Jan 28, 2020.

  1. gilderbeast2000

    gilderbeast2000 New commenter

    Recently I signed a contract for a big school in China. Then the corona virus hit a few weeks later! I keep telling my family not worry but now my wife wants me to start applying elsewhere! Surely it will have run its course by August?
    Do you think the school would understand if we changed our minds? Meanwhile my current position is at the interview stage so I could end up having no job!
  2. gulfgolf

    gulfgolf Established commenter

    It will be sorted by August. Either all fizzled our (my bet) or spread so far that country will be irrelevant.
  3. spanboy

    spanboy Occasional commenter

    I don't think there's any worry. Will be all sorted by August, I reckon.
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  4. spanboy

    spanboy Occasional commenter

    I don't think there's any worry. Will be all sorted by August, I reckon.
  5. spanboy

    spanboy Occasional commenter

    I don't think there's any worry. Will be all sorted by August, I reckon.
  6. february31st

    february31st Established commenter

    We ALL hope it will be sorted out by August. Biggest problem I think will be the lack of expat students turning up in the summer. International schools will not need all the teachers they have already employed. A great many expat families will not return as a whole after CNY, only the main bread winner will return with children and spouse remaining in their home countries.

    Check your contract as it can not be binding till you have passed your medial and obtained your work visa, also check to see if there is a probation period you can legally resign within this time. Many schools in China use smoke, mirror and threats to make you think their contract is legal and it is not under Chinese Labour Law.

    I should imagine a number of teachers on holiday outside of China will be missing come the 17th of February.
  7. gulfgolf

    gulfgolf Established commenter

    Interesting prediction that expats won’t return, but I’m not sure it’ll prove true. H1N1 didn’t see that result. Neither did SARS. Nor bird flu. Not sure about Ebola outbreaks, but they tended to be away from major cities with international schools.
    dumbbells66 likes this.
  8. the hippo

    the hippo Lead commenter Community helper

    The great and good Harry Deelman (of Search Associates) always said that "a gentleman's word should be his bond". Therefore, in my opinion, if the job still exists in August, gilderbeat2000, then you should keep your promises and get on the plane for the Middle Kingdom. Although the new virus is worrying, the reality is that hundreds (maybe thousands) or people die every year from ordinary strains of influenza. As per usual, I completely agree with gulfgolf's view that it will probably have fizzled out in another month or two. By then, the BBC and CNN will have found something else to exaggerate.

    A few months before we left for Kenya, a friend of ours told us lurid stories of expats getting murdered in "Nairobbery". We imagined that we would have out throats cut as soon as we stepped off the plane, but the reality was rather different. We had two wonderful years and Kenya was an excellent start to all of our foreign adventures.

    A few days after our arrival in Egypt, we finally managed to get the TV working. There was something about a burning tower and we thought that it was one of those awful American "disaster movies". Actually it was 9/11. Egypt emptied of tourists very quickly, which meant that Aswan and Luxor were pleasantly quiet during our first trip up the Nile during the Christmas hols.

    Yes, I suppose that a lot of expats and their families might want to stay away from China in the next month or two. On the other hand, if you are going to risk your health by breathing in the pollution that is to be found in many of the major cities in China, then a virus or two is not really that much of an added danger. I also remember reading lots of horror stories about street food in China, that the meat comes from rats and it is fried in "gutter oil". Hen hao che! Maybe the stories were true, but the cheap eats were so yummy and so cheap that this greedy old hippo could not resist the temptation.
  9. Corvuscorax

    Corvuscorax Star commenter

    Well, the foreign office is advising against all but essential travel to China, so I guess you should listen to government advice, if it still stands in August.
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  10. kpjf

    kpjf Occasional commenter

    Yes, presently, that is the advice, but I doubt they will be saying the same in August. I mean if this virus cropped up in June you might be worried but August is many months away and it's not even February yet. How long did SARS take to clear up? Does anyone remember?
    dumbbells66 likes this.
  11. Corvuscorax

    Corvuscorax Star commenter

    Spanish flu took 2 years and 1 month, exactly 100 years ago.

    White house is considering closing american borders to any transport from China.It may be a purely academic question, if there are no flights
  12. towncryer

    towncryer Lead commenter

    Latest news I read said they are 8 weeks from a vaccine....still a few months short of August. So one way or another it should be sorted either through vaccine or other means. If this isnt the case then by August,as another poster has pointed out it won't really matter which country you're in as it will be pretty widely spread.
  13. february31st

    february31st Established commenter

    I think you could describe the current state in China a Material Change in Circumstances with regard to any recently signed contract.

    Dear old hippo the days of my word is my bond are long gone I am afraid. We all remember the gold days of international teaching that died out with the dinosaurs. Just cross reference some of the schools SA allow to attend their recruitment fairs with the ***. SA has a few black marks in its copy book these days.

    I dont think any court in the UK will hold you to a contract in China given today's advice from the UK government for no unnecessary travel to China.
    englishdragon likes this.
  14. gulfgolf

    gulfgolf Established commenter

    People depress me sometimes. Fear mongering. Lack of moral character. And proud of it.
  15. february31st

    february31st Established commenter

    The world is a tough mean place and you have to look out for yourself and family.

    As demonstrated by the British citizens caught in Wuhan, the Embassy is not coming to your rescue.

    Teaching internationally you are on your own and need to make you own decisions as an adult, nobody is going to help you when the **** hits the fan.
    englishdragon and T0nyGT like this.
  16. grdwdgrrrl

    grdwdgrrrl Occasional commenter

    Trump has another excuse to bar foreigners from entering the US.
  17. Fer888888

    Fer888888 New commenter

    They are organising a plane to take people from Wuhan but it is only for UK nationals- not Chinese spouses or stepchildren. You also have to make your own way to the airport. I have organised for my mother and son to go but we are 2 hours drive away and need to sort out with local government permission to go through the roadblocks. Mum is 75, diabetic etc. Glad my son can keep her company for the flight. We are still waiting for the paperwork from the foreign office confirming the flight so we can show it to the local government to get permission- hopefully, we will get the email before the offices close this afternoon.

    I will be staying with my wife and daughters.
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  18. T0nyGT

    T0nyGT Lead commenter

    More people die from run of the mill flu than are killed by this virus. I would be very surprised if this was not over by August.

    Also, this is probably only going to kill you if you have existing respiratory illnesses. And if you have those, then China is a really silly idea already considering the air quality.

    However, there's no way on earth the infected statistics are true. Are we supposed to believe that China have suddenly become completely transparent in spite of their extremely closed past? Why on earth would they not hugely deflate their figures and risk massive economical backlash as countries start blanket banning travel. There have been hushed reports from Chinese health care professionals that the infected numbers are closer to 100,000
  19. SecondPlace

    SecondPlace Occasional commenter

    Cynically I think the big lesson the Chinese authorities have learned from SARS etc. is how to manage the news and the perception that they are being transparent and honest about any given situation.

    If these are the numbers that are publicly admitting to then I fear for what the actual situation is.

    Naturally I hope I'm wrong.
  20. Corvuscorax

    Corvuscorax Star commenter

    you can't possibly know that. Flu kills around 0.05% of people infected.

    Currently in China 60% of patients in whom this virus has run its course are dead.

    It is impossible to know what the mortality rate will actually turn out to be, due to most of the people infected not having reached the danger phase, which comes in the second week.

    But it is being estimated to be likely to be around 5%

    100x greater than that of flu. If it is that low

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