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“Vast majority of teachers considered quitting...”

Discussion in 'Education news' started by Grandsire, Apr 1, 2018.

  1. simonCOAL

    simonCOAL Occasional commenter

    I’m with @50sman on this.

    One last contribution from me (like Frank Sinatra’s third, final farewell tour).

    I mentioned leaving a financial services job because of the stress to say that we’re not alone (not sure how @Mrsmumbles made the leap to N. Korea and Mugabe, but no worries)
    BUT the point here might go some way to understanding the unacceptable state that some find themselves in.

    My financial services experience was in the 90s. It was brutal. Two consecutive months of missed targets and you were gone**. I quit because of the target driven ethos imposed by managers who could not see past the bottom line.

    I went back into teaching to escape this environment. It’s alarming to see this type of approach appearing in some schools. What might fit a cutthroat sales world cannot possibly work in education. But it seems that some think it will and they’re doing their best to ensure it does but without appropriate skills and humility.This is why colleagues like @Mrsmumbles and a lot on WD have been treated disgracefully.

    Another point is that teachers of my vintage didn’t sign up for performance pay, learning walks and graded lesson observations. This is probably the reason the stats posted above show a drop in older teachers still in school. When I went into the sales job I knew exactly what to expect so can have no complaints. Different.

    It is good to read posts from colleagues who don’t see this in schools. Most of the schools I work with are decent places with caring staff at all levels. Let’s build on this.

    To those who are having a bad time: I wish you well and hope things improve for you.

    I’m out.

    ** reluctant to mention this in case some bright spark thinks it’s a good idea!
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  2. Rott Weiler

    Rott Weiler Star commenter Forum guide

    I'm not wrong but I really can't be bothered to explain it to you again. But if you want to believe I am wrong that's up to you. You obviously missed the bit where I agreed the forum was bored with this argument and I said I've nothing more to add. So I'm not going to reply to anything else you post, if want to have the last word, right or wrong, go ahead.
  3. Pomza

    Pomza Star commenter

    This is experience is very similar to mine - They normally gave you a full quarter before killing you though!

    Good to know I'm not the only one who get to see schools which are decent places to work...
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  4. Mrsmumbles

    Mrsmumbles Star commenter

    LOL, the phrase ‘English Lit exam’ used as a simile, that has made my day, that has!:p:p:D:):p
  5. Mrsmumbles

    Mrsmumbles Star commenter

    That I can totally agree with. The suits have invaded education and are setting impossible targets as a form of fast-track capability dismissal scammery. It was nit what I’d trained,trained more, and taught for 20 years for either. At least in sales, you knew the nature of the beast. I spent decades successfully avoiding the stress and bullschlit sales PM targets-mad culture. So I’m hacked off that is has now infected Schools. Even worse, the bosses are often NOT good salesmen, they’re thick a s therefore, I would argue, not able to talk the talk. But they act as if they are amazing managers who can do wrong. Who was it that said that if you want to tell a lie, make it a really big one....?;)
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  6. Scintillant

    Scintillant Star commenter

    If you attribute something to me that I haven't said, I will point it out. I thought you might have accepted that what I had said clearly, was my view.
  7. ridleyrumpus

    ridleyrumpus Star commenter

    Can someone please explain what the CEO of the trust does?

    "Mr Sharma is the chief executive of the trust which runs Colne Community School and College in Brightlingsea and Philip Morant School and College in Colchester. Ms Hutley is executive principal of the trust, which formed in 2016."

    It is my understanding that the executive principal is the "head" of all the schools in the trust and the "head of school" carries out the day to day running of each school in the trust.

    So what exactly does the "Chief Executive" @£135,000 add to the system especially when there are only 2 schools in the trust?
  8. Pomza

    Pomza Star commenter

    The terminology varies trust to trust and depends on, among other things, how many schools they have.

    In some trusts, the 'CEO' is actually just a headteacher of a couple of schools. If it is a much larger trust then the CEO has a more a strategic management role and the schools have their own HTs...

    There are plenty of different leadership set-ups out there - Hard to define the role based purely on job title.
  9. ridleyrumpus

    ridleyrumpus Star commenter

    In the band

    £60-£70k ............................... 2017 : 5..............2016 : 1
    £100 - £110k,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,2017 : 0...............2016 : 1
    £110 - £120k..........................2017 : 1...............2016 : 0
    £130 - £140k......................... 2017 : 1................2016 : 0

    Nice pay rises and extra SLT there
  10. Scintillant

    Scintillant Star commenter

    Good question.

    The structural changes to education, i.e. the introduction of MATs has not improved things as we can see from the state of the profession and the statistics on outcomes, yet pay rises abound, along with third-party contracts and some horrific failures and wastes of public money. These roles were non-existent only a short while ago and seem to me to be a huge waste of public money. I'm not sure what "strategic management of a school" entails nor why it costs so much to employ people to deliver it, especially for two schools as you say. It's certainly not attracting people to work in our schools as teachers. The burgeoning cases of public money being misused are coming thick ad fast, now on a daily basis. And there is very little in the way of accountability, if anything at all.

    Looking at the amount of horror stories appearing and contrasting it with the state of the profession, I have to conclude that the changes to our education system have been nothing of disastrous.

    The only roles increasing in number in education are trustees, board members, CEOs, and consultants, while teachers are in free fall. Which tells you everything.
    Last edited: Apr 9, 2018
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  11. ridleyrumpus

    ridleyrumpus Star commenter

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  12. Rott Weiler

    Rott Weiler Star commenter Forum guide

    2016 was only one school, 2017 was two schools. Not comparing the same thing.
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  13. ridleyrumpus

    ridleyrumpus Star commenter

    The Colne academy trust has already joined the MAT in the 2016 period according to the 2016 Accounts.
  14. Scintillant

    Scintillant Star commenter

    Following concerns from parents, Damien Hinds has been asked by two local MPs to investigate the issues in the two schools concerned. When the MPs raised issues with the trust, the trust were "evasive, unhelpful, even aggressive and obstructive". Lovely.

    Recently an MP was escorted off the premises of the Bright Tribe trust when she tried to investigate what was going on following widespread parental concerns. This is a trust that "paid more than £680,000 to firms owned or controlled by a board member who runs its sponsor company." And also took one millions pounds of hub funding and spent it on senior staff salaries.

    None of this is illegal of course.


    Trebles all round!
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  15. Rott Weiler

    Rott Weiler Star commenter Forum guide

    But maintained separate financial statements until 31 August 2016 so wasn't in the MAT comparison until 31/8/2017.

    I believe staff governor remuneration is just their salary.
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  16. ridleyrumpus

    ridleyrumpus Star commenter

    "Mr Sharma is the chief executive officer of the Thrive Partnership Academy Trust, which is a partnership between Philip Morant School and College in Colchester and the Colne Community School and College in Brightlingsea.

    Ms Hutley is the principal of Philip Morant School and College and the executive head of the Colne School and College."


    So it would appear that he isnt the head of either school, she is the "head" of both, so what does he do?
  17. schoolsout4summer

    schoolsout4summer Star commenter

    Was it Amber Rudd, lying about the link between cuts to the number of police and the rise in knife/violent crime?
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  18. Pomza

    Pomza Star commenter

    Not knowing the man or anything of the organisation in question, I am not well-positioned to answer.

    If you're keen to find out, why not email them and ask?
  19. Pomza

    Pomza Star commenter

    You should check out the current job vacancies on their website...
  20. lanokia

    lanokia Star commenter

    Clearly the CEO adds £135K to the bank account of the CEO [after income tax, pension and NI contribution]
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