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“Vast majority of teachers considered quitting...”

Discussion in 'Education news' started by Grandsire, Apr 1, 2018.

  1. Mrsmumbles

    Mrsmumbles Star commenter

    Yet, intriguingly, Gove, the architect of much of this carnage, retains his cabinet position. May an infected North Sea fish rise up and slap plastic-based toxins on his rubbery lips!
     
  2. Mrsmumbles

    Mrsmumbles Star commenter

    Possibly that lass as well, but I think it was this guy who said it first:

    '...in the big lie there is always a certain force of credibility; because the broad masses of a nation are always more easily corrupted in the deeper strata of their emotional nature than consciously or voluntarily; and thus in the primitive simplicity of their minds they more readily fall victims to the big lie than the small lie, since they themselves often tell small lies in little matters but would be ashamed to resort to large-scale falsehoods.

    It would never come into their heads to fabricate colossal untruths, and they would not believe that others could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously. Even though the facts which prove this to be so may be brought clearly to their minds, they will still doubt and waver and will continue to think that there may be some other explanation. For the grossly impudent lie always leaves traces behind it, even after it has been nailed down, a fact which is known to all expert liars in this world and to all who conspire together in the art of lying.
    — Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, vol. I, ch. X I
    Thus, according to Hitler, the "Big Lie" was a propaganda technique typically used by "the Jews". (because Hitler was a moronic anti-semitic bell)
     
  3. Scintillant

    Scintillant Star commenter

    The fact that we have no idea what he might do when he's not being aggressive towards approaches from our elected representatives speaks for itself. These are such vital roles that we don't have the first idea what they encompass
     
  4. Pomza

    Pomza Star commenter

    Perhaps - But, just because we don't know how a complete stranger spends his working day, doesn't necessarily mean he isn't doing a decent or valid job.

    I don't really like the idea of condemning a person we really know nothing about at all, basically on the grounds that he is paid a high salary. (Although from scanning through, I can see there is some dispute over how substantial his remuneration really is, relatively speaking.)

    He publishes his direct email address - Drop him a line a find out what he does.

    (Then come back and tell us!) :)
     
  5. Pomza

    Pomza Star commenter

    Tes is an amazing place - Thread starts like this...

    Scroll down a bit and someone's quoting Mein Kampf!
     
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  6. Scintillant

    Scintillant Star commenter

    I'll wait to see the outcome of the suspension of both people involved first.

    Regardless, I do not think schools need to be organised like this and very few teachers I know think so either. I think it has been nothing short of a national scandal what has happened to schools and teachers, how communities have been ignored and people have been allowed to misuse public funds while RSCs etc have turned so many blind eyes I'd be amazed if they can see anything anymore.

    In terms of the nature of the CEO role and what it involves, it appears we're not the only ones somewhat in the dark.
    https://community.tes.com/threads/h...ools-because-of-academy-ceos-salaries.773941/
     
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  7. Mrsmumbles

    Mrsmumbles Star commenter

    Variety is the spice of life! Did you notice how I covered several continents of dictators?! MATS have to make do with counties ..
     
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  8. Pomza

    Pomza Star commenter

    Just you wait. I reckon Harris have got enough personnel to annex a small sovereign state. Maybe one of the Baltics...
     
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  9. Scintillant

    Scintillant Star commenter

    They get through more personnel than a Russian infantry battalion in Stalingrad did...
     
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  10. Mrsmumbles

    Mrsmumbles Star commenter

    Yep. It’s on the cards. Heil Harris!
     
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  11. Mrsmumbles

    Mrsmumbles Star commenter

    Indeed. They not only have guards, they put guards on the guards. They purge staff...personnel pogroms....
     
  12. Pomza

    Pomza Star commenter

    I suppose Croydon is a fairly suitable place to construct a Gulag camp...
     
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  13. peakster

    peakster Star commenter

    Escape from Croydon - everybody else has.
     
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  14. haharr

    haharr New commenter

    Just read that Emma Kell article on "challenging but worth it" etc. Hilarious - so, then, as long as all the other options are poor, we should just accept our lot and work ridiculous extra nonsense to maintain the illusion of progress in schools. Why not just employ robots and bouncers? They won't complain about principles or integrity, the students won't move from their seats, and they'll certainly generate the ludicrous spoon fed grades demanded to order...
     
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  15. the hippo

    the hippo Lead commenter Community helper

    Come friendly bombs and fall on Croydon...

    As for quitting the teaching profession, I think that is a silly idea. Teaching is a wonderful job, just as long as you don't do it in the UK. Having left the UK in 1998, I have been teaching in Kenya, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Romania, Qatar, the UAE and now China.
     
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  16. englishdragon

    englishdragon Occasional commenter

    @the hippo Thanks.

    I did not read through the middle pages of this thread, but I must admit, after the first two pages I started wondering when someone would starting thinking outside the box, or perhaps more accurately, outside the shores of Jolly Mother England.

    The UK salary scale appears to be kinder than some parts of the US:
    https://www.nytimes.com/video/opinion/100000005847432/red-arizona-republican-teacher-strike.html

    The fault with England, Australia, Canada, USA (etc.) is that education (and every other aspect of life) is now caught in the wonderful 'Iron Cage' of bureaucracy, a self perpetuating organism that feeds on numbers, and an insatiable demand for more and more numbers. These numbers end up having very little to do with quality of the desired product, but everything to do with the yawning hunger (like an open hippo jaw) of the pen pushing minions inside the cage.

    "In sociology, the iron cage is a term coined by Max Weber for the increased rationalization inherent in social life, particularly in Western capitalist societies. The "iron cage" thus traps individuals in systems based purely on teleological efficiency, rational calculation and control."

    Real "international" schools are somewhat able to escape the iron cage and actually retain the primary focus on quality of both teaching and student learning. Find a good international school, there are many around the world, where teaching can be fun and it is possible to save a significant percentage of one's take home pay.

    I use the term "real" as a point of discrimination between the despicable rent-a-name business ventures (not actually schools) popping up all over China. Better to stay inside the iron cage of Jolly Mother England, even as a driving instructor, than get slaughtered by the Empress Dowager and her offspring in one of these businesses.
     
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  17. drek

    drek Lead commenter

    Check the home office policies. They might think you are a foreigner now and not allow you back in lol
     
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  18. Oldfashioned

    Oldfashioned Occasional commenter

    Emma Kell = Clueless. Not sure what planet she's on
     
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  19. Mrsmumbles

    Mrsmumbles Star commenter

    Actually, I've taught six hours today, at home, with increasingly confused, stressed and demoralised kids. I'd like to rejoin a school, but I can't, because I feel as bad as the kids do. I am very much in the teaching game, just mopping up/improving/.enriching the students outside the increasingly noisy, chaotic and toxic classrooms. With no pension. Yes, I had a great appraisal one term, in the July. The next academic year, it bombed. So Summer turns us into suck-at-t-suddenly teachers, huh? Like heck! It's a scam. The fact that you have literally no personal experience of how BAD some schools are, that I'm prepared to do this medium term rather than risk getting bent over and shafted by another possibly bullying employer - well, it speaks volumes. You tend to negate (or balance out) the many bleak but frank posts on here by saying your school's amazing, your school systems are great. Some of your and others' comments are starting to sound a bit impatient and a tad ageist. Pomza, it wasn't that long ago that I've been 'out', but by God, it feels better to be on a hand to mouth existence and have my life and brain space back that the past 5 years I endured Psycho Heights. Many schools do suck and I do think yours is the exception to the rule. Obviously you wont fully appreciate this unless/until you move onto pastures new. Then the difficulties with job progression emerge - unless you know all the HTS and DHTs and are regularly communing with one another on the increasingly pathetic and sprawling SLT grapevines.... We mere mortals are not! I don't think you fully empathise with or know what I and others are talking about. I'm sure you're a good manager, in your own school...but.....a little more humility and empathy towards older posters wouldn't go amiss. I'd take an older experienced teacher over a smug 'on the jobber' any day of the week.
     
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  20. Mrsmumbles

    Mrsmumbles Star commenter

    Hate to say this but I think they ARE now starting to employ robots and bouncers. Rumour has it that Gibb is an actual droidbot. The entire DFE droid workforce now intone ‘more teachers than ever before’, ‘higher standards than ever before’ ‘it’s the best of all possible worlds’ on some kind of digital repeat. The nightmare is real!
     

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