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V,A and flippin' K!

Discussion in 'Personal' started by blazer, Nov 27, 2018.

  1. blazer

    blazer Star commenter

    Just sat in a staff meeting where this was presented as the next great thing in education.! Those of us old enough to have seen it die before just looked down. The youngsters (who probably had it when they were at school) took great interest.
  2. mothorchid

    mothorchid Star commenter

    I don't mind it too much - there is possibly something in it, but it's not the be-all and end-all it's cracked up to be.
    However, I am surprised it's come round again. Or maybe, @blazer, it has only just reached your school. Are you normally behind the times? It has possibly not yet reached the area I live in, but this is right on the edge of things out here...
  3. sbkrobson

    sbkrobson Star commenter

    I do not know what it is?

    My sack of redundant acronyms is already overflowing.
    You can tell where I've been because I leave them scattered behind me in tatters.

    OP, I'm sorry you had to sit in a staff meeting and be fed reconstituted acronyms. You've gotta be amused by those young 'ns who buy into them though.
  4. nomad

    nomad Star commenter

    A myth debunked in 'Nature' in 2015.


    Myth 4: Individuals learn best when taught in their preferred learning style

    People attribute other mythical qualities to their unexceptionally large brains. One such myth is that individuals learn best when they are taught in the way they prefer to learn. A verbal learner, for example, supposedly learns best through oral instructions, whereas a visual learner absorbs information most effectively through graphics and other diagrams.

    There are two truths at the core of this myth: many people have a preference for how they receive information, and evidence suggests that teachers achieve the best educational outcomes when they present information in multiple sensory modes. Couple that with people's desire to learn and be considered unique, and conditions are ripe for myth-making.

    “Learning styles has got it all going for it: a seed of fact, emotional biases and wishful thinking,” says Howard-Jones. Yet just like sugar, pornography and television, “what you prefer is not always good for you or right for you,” says Paul Kirschner, an educational psychologist at the Open University of the Netherlands.

    In 2008, four cognitive neuroscientists reviewed the scientific evidence for and against learning styles. Only a few studies had rigorously put the ideas to the test and most of those that did showed that teaching in a person's preferred style had no beneficial effect on his or her learning. “The contrast between the enormous popularity of the learning-styles approach within education and the lack of credible evidence for its utility is, in our opinion, striking and disturbing,” the authors of one study wrotewrote.

    That hasn't stopped a lucrative industry from pumping out books and tests for some 71 proposed learning styles. Scientists, too, perpetuate the myth, citing learning styles in more than 360 papers during the past 5 years. “There are groups of researchers who still adhere to the idea, especially folks who developed questionnaires and surveys for categorizing people. They have a strong vested interest,” says Richard Mayer, an educational psychologist at the University of California, Santa Barbara.

    In the past few decades, research into educational techniques has started to show that there are interventions that do improve learning, including getting students to summarize or explain concepts to themselves. And it seems almost all individuals, barring those with learning disabilities, learn best from a mixture of words and graphics, rather than either alone.

    Yet the learning-styles myth makes it difficult to get these evidence-backed concepts into classrooms. When Howard-Jones speaks to teachers to dispel the learning-styles myth, for example, they often don't like to hear what he has to say. “They have disillusioned faces. Teachers invested hope, time and effort in these ideas,” he says. “After that, they lose interest in the idea that science can support learning and teaching.”
  5. Aquamarina1234

    Aquamarina1234 Star commenter

    It was pollux.
    It still is.
  6. lanokia

    lanokia Star commenter

    Stay in teaching just long enough to see the bollix inflicted on you when you were young return in new armour to be inflicted on you again when you are old.
  7. sbkrobson

    sbkrobson Star commenter

    Again-what is it?
  8. lanokia

    lanokia Star commenter

  9. Geoff Thomas

    Geoff Thomas Star commenter

    Thanks, @lanokia.

    Gives you real belief in them when they cannot even spell correctly. (I assume they mean "dominant" and not "dominate", or have they merely redefined?)
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  10. sbkrobson

    sbkrobson Star commenter

    Thank you.
    So-you have to either dance it, shout it or throw it at them.
    This might just be the acronym that I can finally get on board with, especially if you're allowed to do all three at the same time.
    Last edited: Nov 27, 2018
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  11. lilachardy

    lilachardy Star commenter

    Isn't it what you do anyway? You say it, write it and then they do it. Or maybe that's just maths.
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  12. nomad

    nomad Star commenter

    I would just love to have had the opportunity to have used the VAK rubbish in an interview.

    Interviewer: So Mr Nomad, please tell us how you plan to use VAK learning styles in your classroom.

    Me: I shall answer that question, if I may, through the medium of expressive dance...

    [puts on leotard...]

  13. peakster

    peakster Star commenter

    I always thought there was something in VAK

    Unlike positive mindset which I knew was a pile of s*** after 20 seconds
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  14. becky70

    becky70 Occasional commenter

    VAK?? They think it's 2002
  15. peakster

    peakster Star commenter

    Edubollox's comet takes 16 years to round the galaxy of grim.
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  16. monicabilongame

    monicabilongame Star commenter

    I was learning about VAK (but not in the simplistic way used in education) in 1982
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  17. Orkrider2

    Orkrider2 Star commenter

    Oi. Positive mindset is ok. Just misunderstood and introduced as something it’s not meant to be I think.
  18. Orkrider2

    Orkrider2 Star commenter

    You never know, in a couple of years i’ll be able to get those old bloody vcop pyramids back out onto every desk!
    nomad likes this.
  19. FrankWolley

    FrankWolley Star commenter

    I always felt (& sometimes said) that if a pupil is strong in (say) V, but weaker in A, then they need more A and less V to build up their weaker skills...:)

    Starts a good argument, that does, when dropped into a conversation with true believers... ;)
  20. racroesus

    racroesus Star commenter

    There is supposed to be a learning style that allows an individual to learn best. There was some research some time ago that basically rubbished teaching programs based on learning styles but the research said that the least useless, or most useful (on a scale of 0 to infinitesimally small) was a system called VAK: Visual Auditory Kinaesthetic.
    This system divided people into those who should best be taught by showing them stuff, letting them read instructions or content and so on; those who should listen to instruction or lectures and those who should make and move with the content. Some wag said it divided people into Bright, Ordinary and Thick. Learning history, for example, should be done by walking along a wall of prompt cards. Cambridge University had a collaboration with its Neurology and education departments and they said it was, basically, rubbish. There was a suggestion from prosyletisers that learing would be best delivered through the medium students felt suited them least. Then there were Gardner's Multiple Intelligences.
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