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utterly frustrated

Discussion in 'Workplace dilemmas' started by Oldfashioned, Jan 9, 2019.

  1. Oldfashioned

    Oldfashioned Senior commenter

    Bit of a moan:

    Did a long term supply gig in a lovely school last term. Had a great time, classes enjoyed my lessons and I was praised by the HOD, they even sent a note to my agency. The head popped into a lesson and afterwards thanked me and praised me. A smiley Oldfashioned was I. A job came up for next year so I though fab, I'll apply. Application done, every essential and desirable easily hit. This should be good I thought.

    I left a day before end of term: lovely card, teary kids, lots of unexpected praise in briefing.

    Last day of term an email pinged up. Sorry but no interview OF!!! What the heck?!?!?! So I rang the HOD: please give me any feedback, I'm not getting interviews, you know me, I thought my form was good, was my work poor?

    Official response: good application but we had a lot of applicants blah, blah, blah
    Unofficial sworn to secrecy: school wanted someone cheap, someone less experienced and more mouldable.

    I shed a tear a or two, swore at the cat and had a miserable christmas.

    I am trying to get out of teaching but building a business is a slow process. As such, a couple of years secured work, somewhere I like would have been amazing. But alas now i am back on the supply treadmill and in a new unfamiliar school, obviously worse than the last. Life sucks
  2. mothorchid

    mothorchid Star commenter

    I am feeling your pain.
    So sorry.
    How shortsighted and stupid of the school. Someone cheap may well not stay the course, leading to supply costs and new application process etc. They have made a real error, especially as they know and like you and your work.
    Keep focussed on the long game - this time next year you'll be a millionaire...
  3. Oldfashioned

    Oldfashioned Senior commenter

    Thanks for the kind words. Schools certainly have a way of making you question your worth.
  4. princesslegend

    princesslegend Occasional commenter

    Same thing happened to me. I broke my heart, thought the problem was me. They gave the job (2nd in dept) to a non specialist.

    Fast forward - ended up working in a partner school (bl00dy awful!) and the non specialist has left and I'm asked to apply.

    I got a better job, for more money, in a better school.

    Hang in there.
  5. polly2

    polly2 New commenter

    I have been there, exactly the same scenario. I honestly thought the job was in the bag. The head kept asking me if I'd applied and when I handed the application in, he was cheering. No interview.
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  6. HelenREMfan

    HelenREMfan Star commenter

    Well..they step into the unknown and who knows the appointee might turn out to be fairly useless...no classroom discipline, poor subject knowledge, off pregnant in 2 weeks time..... just wait for karma to kick in.

    Short sightedness in spades and they will undoubtedly come to regret it.
    Typical British short sighted management from pit props, to banking to education.
  7. BelleDuJour

    BelleDuJour Star commenter

    Actual reason would be they'd have to pain a finder's fee to agency who placed you there.
    That's that harsh truth.

    SEBREGIS Lead commenter

    Its a sod. And false economy. Good teachers last longer in difficult schools. NQTs etc often can't stand it and leave quickly. So schools end up spending thousands each week hiring short term supply staff who could teach the students much better - if they were there full time.

    As for the agency thing - I agree.

    But what fool thought that the recruitment and retention of teachers could possibly be helped by making more money available so schools didn't have to always go for the cheapest option - (even if that is a Pelican on a skateboard, dosed up to the eye on Prozac, that has somehow scraped through it's PGCE?)
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  9. sbkrobson

    sbkrobson Star commenter

    Such a false economy, because they really do bring a bigger bill.

    If a school leads you up the garden path by implication, then they are collecting back-up, anybody around for the interview party. You may have got the job if there were no other candidates. You may have got the job if there were different candidates. You may have got the job if the panel had been composed of other people. These are all variables out of your hands.
    As it is, you leave disappointed, but presumably with an excellent reference, which means they have still equipped you to be in as good a place as when you started there, if not even better.
    In your shoes I'd sign up with multiple agencies immediately-it is peak time of year for sick staff and supply offers. If you can achieve a state of cherry picking, perhaps the psychology of choice will replace the psychology of disappointment.
  10. FrankWolley

    FrankWolley Star commenter

    100% sympathise...Like many here, I suspect, I've been there too. Pretty disgraceful, but it's what happens in schools (esp. as one gets older, I'm afraid).
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  11. Bedlam3

    Bedlam3 Star commenter

    Well it's simple really... you need to write in your application that you are willing to start on MPS1. :confused:
  12. smurphy6

    smurphy6 Lead commenter

    It’s the finders fee. The supply agency charge ridiculous amounts running into thousands of pounds. The School wanted you but the finders fee was too much and schools only find out the extent of the fee when they consider taking a supply candidate on permanently.

    The teacher on supply is bound by the supply agencies terms and conditions which usually state that should the supply teacher get a job in a school that they have done supply in during the previous six months (it used to be three but schools would wait a term so the supply agencies upped it to six months) then a finders fee from the school to the agency would be due.

    Schools agree to this as well when they use the agencies.

    It has nothing to do with the supply teacher or school but everything to do with the supply agencies. This happens ALL the time.
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    SEBREGIS Lead commenter

    Especially a Pelican!
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  14. sbkrobson

    sbkrobson Star commenter

    Thank you!
    I love having my own jokes explained to me, because otherwise I honestly wouldn't get them.
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  15. JosieWhitehead

    JosieWhitehead Star commenter

    You've got my sympathy 100% and what more can I say than what has already been said. If they have you, tried and tested and found to be popular with children etc - doing a really good job, tell me: 'What more do they want?' Are schools really so hard up that they put 'money' before a good teacher nowadays? So sorry once again.
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  16. Oldfashioned

    Oldfashioned Senior commenter

    Thanks for the replies. I never struggle for supply work but it would have been nice to have proper security for a while.
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  17. JohnJCazorla

    JohnJCazorla Star commenter

    Is this your punchline? Or just you thinking of greener grass in cooler frying pans?

    Are you sure you really want to go back to the 'insecurity' of a permanent job? Not a typo, anyone with a permanent contract is acutely aware that the school can best save money by getting rid of the UPS ones and the amount of hoop-jumping that the poor souls have to go through makes you wonder why take a permanent contract.

    You sound to be one of the fortunate ones, like me, who can demand a high rate and hustle for an easier life. Simply because the evil SLT know it's us or nobody, Also we can walk out with very little notice so spotlights are not turned in our direction.
    I'm happy with the new term - new school direction my life has taken. I've finally worked out how to hustle for all the essentials I need and avoid the stuff I don't care for.
  18. JosieWhitehead

    JosieWhitehead Star commenter

    How very sad it's all becoming. You'd never believe that we older ones actually loved our work and looked forward to it. Good luck to you all. I'm sure that before long they're going to have to change things or they'll soon have no-one to teach the children.
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  19. thekillers1

    thekillers1 Lead commenter

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  20. Mr_Ed

    Mr_Ed Lead commenter

    Is one allowed to do that in a non-Acadamy school application?

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