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USA Department of Justice sics FBI Joint Terrorism Task Forces on Antifa

Discussion in 'Personal' started by DrLinus, Jun 1, 2020.

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Antifa is a terrorist organisation and should be shut down

  1. I agree

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  2. I disagree

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  1. DrLinus

    DrLinus Lead commenter

    https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/attorney-general-william-p-barrs-statement-riots-and-domestic-terrorism

    Department of Justice
    Office of Public Affairs
    FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
    Sunday, May 31, 2020

    Attorney General William P. Barr's Statement on Riots and Domestic Terrorism

    Attorney General William P. Barr has issued the following statement:

    “With the rioting that is occurring in many of our cities around the country, the voices of peaceful and legitimate protests have been hijacked by violent radical elements. Groups of outside radicals and agitators are exploiting the situation to pursue their own separate, violent, and extremist agenda.

    It is time to stop watching the violence and to confront and stop it. The continued violence and destruction of property endangers the lives and livelihoods of others, and interferes with the rights of peaceful protestors, as well as all other citizens.

    It also undercuts the urgent work that needs to be done – through constructive engagement between affected communities and law enforcement leaders – to address legitimate grievances. Preventing reconciliation and driving us apart is the goal of these radical groups, and we cannot let them succeed.

    It is the responsibility of state and local leaders to ensure that adequate law enforcement resources, including the National Guard where necessary, are deployed on the streets to reestablish law and order. We saw this finally happen in Minneapolis last night, and it worked.

    Federal law enforcement actions will be directed at apprehending and charging the violent radical agitators who have hijacked peaceful protest and are engaged in violations of federal law.

    To identify criminal organizers and instigators, and to coordinate federal resources with our state and local partners, federal law enforcement is using our existing network of 56 regional FBI Joint Terrorism Task Forces (JTTF).

    The violence instigated and carried out by Antifa and other similar groups in connection with the rioting is domestic terrorism and will be treated accordingly.”



    Excellent.

    Poll above.
     
  2. Spoofer4114

    Spoofer4114 Lead commenter

    Are you against facism Doc?
     
  3. Scintillant

    Scintillant Star commenter

    Lol.

    The anti-fascists are the real fascists.

    That one again.

    What about those tools in Michigan who hate the government, storming buildings with assault rifles to protest about being locked down? No one set about them with clubs, tear gas, pepper spray and rubber bullets.

    Besides, it's an idea, not an organisation. You can't "shut it down".
     
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  4. DrLinus

    DrLinus Lead commenter

  5. Scintillant

    Scintillant Star commenter

    Are we talking about people being anti-fascist, or looters in a riot?
     
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  6. Spoofer4114

    Spoofer4114 Lead commenter

    Doc?

    It's not a trick question.
     
  7. artboyusa

    artboyusa Star commenter

    It's not spelled too good either.
     
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  8. DrLinus

    DrLinus Lead commenter

    Storming, you say.
    Looked like peaceful assembly to me.

    I am glad so many of us are in favour of free speech and the exchange of ideas, however we can shut down people organising activism around the idea of Antifa.

    How British Police Shut Down the Original UK Antifa
     
  9. Jude Fawley

    Jude Fawley Star commenter

    Anything that closes down ANTIFA worldwide is a good thing. They are viscous thugs who are masked and tooled up.

    They attempt to take over communal spaces and interfere with civil processes. I'd like to see the lot of them serving long prison sentences for their arrogance, illegal actions and violence.

    The sooner ANTIFA is recognised as a terrorist organisation worldwide the better. Plus we'll get a load of middle class fascists off the streets.
     
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  10. Spoofer4114

    Spoofer4114 Lead commenter

    Thanks. Maybe that was the confusion. I'll try again.
    @DrLinus . Are you against fascism Doc?

    They say 3rd time is a charm.

    He probably just forgot to get back.
     
  11. DrLinus

    DrLinus Lead commenter

    People may be as anti-fascist as they like.
    Antifa have no monopoly on this position and should rightfully be shut down for their criminal behaviour.
     
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  12. SparkMaths

    SparkMaths Occasional commenter

    Calling yourself that doesn't mean it's now OK to beat up people who you think are fascists, it's just their branding which has been constructed to give them exactly this defence. Most cases I can think of it hasn't been fascists who have been attacked at all but republicans or journalists.

    https://www.berkeleyside.com/2018/0...deal-in-berkeley-rally-bike-lock-assault-case

    Do you think it's OK to have roving bands of vigilantes crack open random people's skulls they have never met before because they suspect they are fascist?

    I think we should be teaching students to respect law and order, not be vigilantes, and challenge bad laws and policing through legal means.
     
  13. Scintillant

    Scintillant Star commenter

  14. Scintillant

    Scintillant Star commenter

    Yes, some people are idiots. Some police are idiots. Some people will hurt others. So will some police.

    Why do think there is so much anger in America at present? And how should it be addressed in a way that will be effective?
     
  15. Scintillant

    Scintillant Star commenter

    What is that idea?
     
  16. artboyusa

    artboyusa Star commenter

    Tell us about how many homes, businesses and churches "those tools" burned down. Tell us how many people they beat up.
     
  17. DrLinus

    DrLinus Lead commenter

  18. Scintillant

    Scintillant Star commenter

    According to Dartmouth College historian Mark Bray, an expert on the movement, "The vast majority of anti-fascist organizing is nonviolent. But their willingness to physically defend themselves and others from white supremacist violence and preemptively shut down fascist organizing efforts before they turn deadly distinguishes them from liberal anti-racists."[43] The Anti-Defamation League states that, "Most antifa come from the anarchist movement or from the far left, though since the 2016 presidential election, some people with more mainstream political backgrounds have also joined their ranks."[22]
     
  19. DrLinus

    DrLinus Lead commenter

    Something like this?



    It might look strange to me and you but these people are exercising their rights as US citizens and breaking no laws.
     
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  20. DrLinus

    DrLinus Lead commenter

    It likely is but Antifa, a direct action group, are constitutionally violent.
    It is their raison d'être and why they were shut down in the UK.
     
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