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Updating a listed Victorian building-ideas please?

Discussion in 'Headteachers' started by transilvanian, May 7, 2011.

  1. My school is a typical 1780's Victorian pile in poor repair but unluckily listed. The walls are granite and 3ft thick and ceilings high with those thin tile panels bringing ceiling heights down. Windows are high up and don't let much air in. There are also old strip lights which have expensive replacement bulbs. Rooms are large and expensive to heat. Heating bill £1000 pcm in coldest months. Any ideas for energy efficiency/ updating into the current century? Knocking down not an option or new school!
     
  2. marymoocow

    marymoocow Star commenter

    A school near me lowered all ceilings properly and fully insulating them. Also carpeting and curtains throughout to help draughts. Does your listed status prevent solar panels? A school was on the news recently for doing this, as you get money back from the grid for surplus energy.
     
  3. Thank you both. Very good ideas to pursue. Lighting, insulation and PV seem good starting points. Local authority no longer any help. Property is now outsourced. I wondered about contacting English Heritage and asking what they would allow in terms of updating. I recently tried to get planning to replace single glazed, dangerous Crittal windows & they turned it down!
     
  4. tonymillar

    tonymillar New commenter

    <font size="3">I do not think you are alone in struggling to find a starting point and sharing best practice could be the way forwards.</font><font size="3">Over the last few days I have set up a new group on the professional networking site - Linkedin called UK Sustainable and Eco Schools. I am hoping to bring together a group of individuals that are exclusively decision makers in schools, local authorities specialists and experts from organisations like BRE to share best practice, focused on supporting the sustainable schools agenda. </font><font size="3">To join the group use the following link </font><font size="3">http://www.linkedin.com/groupRegistration?gid=3901102&csrfToken=ajax%3A3447454969708561598</font> or go to <font size="3">www.linkedin.com</font> and search the group<font size="3">Both central and local government seem to have left school leaders to sort 'things' out on their own. With schools generally contributing to over 50% of local authority carbon emissions you would have thought that they would be keener to help.</font>

     
  5. Thank you for this. I will pursue. I have a useful and Eco friendly governor who is an architect and she's happy to pursue things for me eg new local windfarm - how to get them to support us? Would also like a lobby group to persuade English Heritage that a perfect Victorian facade is not necessarily fit for purpose!
     
  6. Thanks Thrupp- lots I can investigate there. Grade 1 listed, not aloud to internally glaze, mezzanine floors might be sound issue? Walls could be insulated and boarded but massive surface area & many rooms. Maybe a 10 year project. I was wondering about knocking that part of the school down but keeping the 'splendid Victorian facade' as a wall for pe.
     
  7. tonymillar

    tonymillar New commenter

    A news article I thought may be of interest. http://www.edie.net/news/news_story.asp?src=dnl&id=19909

     
  8. This is all great! I hope it is helpful to others too. This seems an excellent way to share ideas on sites & buildings. It could almost do with it's own forum.
     
  9. tonymillar

    tonymillar New commenter

    I have already sent an email to TES Connect about starting a new forum focused on sustainability and their response was that the feedback that they are getting from users is that there are already too many forums. My view is that it is an important subject and head teachers would benefit significantly from a forum providing help, support and views on the subject.
    As I mentioned before, I have set up a group on Linkedin called UK Sustainable and eco schools which can only be commented on by school leaders, local authorities, and other relevant organisations that can provide support. This group is linked to another called UK Sustainable schools support network, which is open to anyone to comment and will hopefully be populated by organisations that can provide head teachers with product or service support.
    Your subject is really interesting and I am sure it would provoke some positive responses on the Linkedin group.
    UK Sustainable and eco schools http://www.linkedin.com/groupRegistration?gid=3901102&csrfToken=ajax%3A2329774650591482544
    UK Sustainable schools support network http://www.linkedin.com/groupRegistration?gid=3905657&csrfToken=ajax%3A2329774650591482544
     
  10. There are many unnecessary forums here on this site! I am going to meet a local wind farm next week who are just opening. How can I make my project sound interesting for them to support financially do you think? The links provided look like the place to ask!
     
  11. tonymillar

    tonymillar New commenter

    Education and environment are two subjects that can create some positive media interest for big organisations with the potential to generate some great publicity. Most of these organisations like to demonstrate an involvement with schools - so highlighting this could be a starting point. If they provide funding to make your building more energy efficient, whilst also providing resources to create learning opportunities linked to the infrastructure, they could also gain 'corporate social responsibility' benefits. www.resike.co.uk can provide online portals to deliver the educational resources at no cost to the school.

     
  12. Thankyou again! You have so much knowledge about all this. I have been hearing about 'Notional Regional Funding' for Capital projects today c/o Gove. Sounds like those who shout loudest and have a LA left will be winners.
     
  13. tonymillar

    tonymillar New commenter

    It may be worth putting together a draft bid for funding which could then be adapted to fit a range of opportunities. As you rightly identify, early action is generally the best policy.
    Next week is the Sustainability Live exhibition at the NEC Birmingham (24th-26th May) and well worth a visit if you can make it. You will find organisations that can advise on funding and procurement and many suppliers of the infrastructure that you could use to make your building more energy efficient.
    For more information about the exhibition www.sustainabilitylive.com. Entry is free. There is also a Sustainabilitylive Linkedin group http://www.linkedin.com/groups?mostPopular=&gid=2389330
     
  14. tonymillar

    tonymillar New commenter

    I went on a tour yesterday around Salford Universities Energy House which was very interesting. They are developing/testing some interesting materials to make buildings more energy efficient and some would suit listed buildings. They may have a few ideas for you.
    http://www.energy.salford.ac.uk/newsitem/16
     
  15. This is helpful Thankyou. One of my governors is an architect and she is guiding me through our next steps and considering building materials. We are having an Energy Survey soon and hopefully this will provide a 10 year action plan so that all future works are linked to savings.
     

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