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Unwarrated rudeness toward supply staff.

Discussion in 'Supply teaching' started by WillyDjangoReinhardt, Jan 27, 2016.

  1. WillyDjangoReinhardt

    WillyDjangoReinhardt Occasional commenter

    Today first lesson. Not enough text books for a science lesson as usual. Shocking attitude from the teacher I dared ask for the possibility of some more text books for my year 11 group. Youd have thought I'd requested her take home some dog dirt.
     
  2. PizzoCalabro

    PizzoCalabro Established commenter

    I have a number of these. One in science was where the cover work required ipads for independent research. The science technician refused to get them out on the basis that 'with supply you can't be sure you'll get them all back'.
    Even If he only meant that the kids might take advantage to steal one, rather than the teacher, was still breathtakingly rude.
    And 'supply' is so dismissive and rude.
     
  3. pepper5

    pepper5 Star commenter

    Pizzo

    I would have had a word with the head of science; I bet he/she would not have been happy to know you had been spoken in such a manner.
     
  4. twigs74

    twigs74 New commenter

    That is shocking - but scarily common so it seems. Happened to me last week too - no work left whatsoever, even though the class teacher was seen by pupils walking past the door repeatedly. I therefore sent two pupils to find the teacher in question to come back and set some work. The teacher said, and I quote, "You're paid enough on supply - can't you make something up for God's sake?!"

    Needless to say I complained to the school and agency and have had a reply from the SLT at the school which surprised me, but pleased me too. I did make something up, even though it wasn't my specialist subject, and the pupils were so appreciative.

    Incidentally, when pupils say 'Are you a supply?' when they walk in, I reply with 'No - I'm a teacher, just not your usual one.' Tends to shut them up!
     
  5. fantastischfish

    fantastischfish Established commenter

    I'm afraid that when Mrs Nobody is rude to me in school, I just point it out to them. I really don't care what they think of me; it's not my job to accept rudeness from anyone and I wouldn't put up with it as a permanent staff member. Over time, I've learned that I don't have to accept that sort of behaviour. At the end of the day, they are not the one making the decision about whether I'm good enough to invite back.

    Last week I had a funny incident. Sent to the ****-end of the school to teach some subject that is supposed to represent PHSE, I had a tricky class in an Art classroom. This room was a thoroughfare, with not solid walls separating the classrooms. Whilst dealing with one pupil, another had disappeared around the side (where there was a joint resources area for two classrooms) and was waving at his friend in the next classroom. The teacher came though and rather rudely said, "That boy was in my classroom..."; she was furious and my 'incompetence'. Funnily enough, as she was talking, at least 3 of her pupils sneaked behind her to wave/pull faces. When she turned around and discovered what they were doing I just said, "Well I suppose we are even aren't we?", smiled and walked away.
     
  6. pepper5

    pepper5 Star commenter

    I have been blessed mostly with friendliness of staff towards me at most of the schools I have been to in the last six years. I can only remember one or two instances in all that time. The school where I am doing a lot of work at the moment is a place where people are so friendly and everyone treats me so well.

    One time during the first year I was doing supply and I did not have much experience, I was covering a German lesson and I didn't have very good control of the class. I can't remember exactly what happened, but one of the permanent teachers either complained or made a comment to the cover manager. I thought that was so mean...the cover manager never took any notice and I have been there hundreds of times since.
     
  7. PizzoCalabro

    PizzoCalabro Established commenter

    One thing I have noticed is that I am an 'outsider' I do get a lot of confidences/moans from people about other members of staff/the school. I smile sympathetically and do not comment, but it is clear that there are a lot of frustrations in the school environment that we are lucky enough not to be part of.
     
  8. saluki

    saluki Lead commenter

    I am glad that I no longer do supply. I was always Miss Invisible in the staff room at lunch time but I found it very amusing. Enough material for a book listening to all sorts of private, intimate details about staff life, including love life, in-laws, kids, health etc. Just because I was supply they thought I didn't have ears. Loved it when they had nicey nicey chats with other members of staff and as soon as they walked out of the room, they bitched like hell.
     
  9. emmalcm1

    emmalcm1 Established commenter

    I generally find that there are more helpful/ friendly staff than rude ones although I have encountered a few who seemed to have no manners. There was an occasion when I had a deputy head shout at me in front of a class about their appalling behaviour...of course it was nothing to do with the kids and the fact I was running around trying to get them to sit down and stop swearing/ hitting each other was ignored. @ycnex I can't believe that comment!

    I have had to make up a lesson outside of my subject plenty of times. I have to say though, that the occasions when I've got the impression people just can't be bothered are few compared to the occasions the staff seem over stretched and are struggling to get everything done. I do have sympathy for the teachers who are doing all their own work plus setting work for supply staff when teachers have left and have not been replaced. I seem to be seeing that situation in more and more schools.
     
  10. pepper5

    pepper5 Star commenter

    Emma

    I can't imagine having amteacher/deputy head/ head teacher or anyone shout at me in front of a group of students. That occasion must have been truly terrible for you since you were in a vulnerable position and could not say anything in front of the students.
     
  11. emmalcm1

    emmalcm1 Established commenter

    I was so shocked at the time and also less experienced than I am now...I just didn't know what to say! There was a complaint made to my agency saying that I wasn't proactive enough but personally, I'm not sure what they thought I could have done. They'd put me in an isolated part of the school where I couldn't contact anyone and the kids were literally worse than wild animals. The deputy head just happened to walk past and hear me shouting/ the noise out of the class. When I told the agency what happened they were fine but said the school had asked for me not to say anything to anyone about the behaviour because they were having trouble getting supply in. Clearly they didn't think the problem was them.

    Bizarrely, I know someone whose child went to the same school and worked hard enough to get a scholarship to a very highly thought of private boarding school beginning with an E to do his A levels (not sure of rules about mentioning specific places lol). He's now gone off to university and is extremely mature for his age...I mean as in he would quite happily have an adult conversation about current affairs/ politics etc at about 13/14 and knew a lot about everything. A kid managing to work towards that in that kind of environment doesn't seem to add up!
     

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