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Unpaid leave calculation in the independent sector

Discussion in 'Independent' started by wdersley, Jan 29, 2011.

  1. Have posted this elsewhere but this forum has been of help in the past, so thought i would try again. My daughter lives 200 miles away and needed care for the PD Day and first day at a new school at the beginning of this term. A family member let me down on New Year's Day so I had to step in and travel to look after her. I arrived back 3 days later. On the 2nd January I emailed my HOD. Dep Head and Head with cover work for the two teaching days, one of which was an extremely light day. On my return to school on the Friday I had a letter detailing that as I had not given sufficient notice re my absence that the leave would be classed as Unauthorised and unpaid. Although unhappy about the unauthorised bit I am aware that Carer's leave payment is at the discretion of the employer so I had to accept this - all previous carers leave for illness ect had been paid leave. When I got paid I was shocked at how much money had been deducted. I queried the amount and was told that it was based on 3, 7 hour days at an hourly rate based on a 35 week working year. I therefore was deducted over 500 pounds for 3 days off. This equated to 20% of my gross salary for the month. I am on M6. Is there a formula that dictates how a teachers daily rate is calculated? I can understand the 35 week calculation for the hourly rate if they are paying additional money, but this seems to me to assume we are not paid for any of our holiday, so seems unfair that is should be used to calculate whole days pay. If it is correct I shall just have to swallow it but at the moment I am really angry and upset that I was not told at the time. I am working notice and due to leave at Easter to go and join my daughter but at the moment I don't feel like being here at all, convinced that my Head is just being awkward as he is miffed I am moving on. Any system that costs me almost 1/4 of a months pay for 3 days in an emergency stinks! Sorry said i was angry and hurt but I really would appreciate some advice on whether this is normal practise just seems ludicrous to me.
     
  2. Have posted this elsewhere but this forum has been of help in the past, so thought i would try again. My daughter lives 200 miles away and needed care for the PD Day and first day at a new school at the beginning of this term. A family member let me down on New Year's Day so I had to step in and travel to look after her. I arrived back 3 days later. On the 2nd January I emailed my HOD. Dep Head and Head with cover work for the two teaching days, one of which was an extremely light day. On my return to school on the Friday I had a letter detailing that as I had not given sufficient notice re my absence that the leave would be classed as Unauthorised and unpaid. Although unhappy about the unauthorised bit I am aware that Carer's leave payment is at the discretion of the employer so I had to accept this - all previous carers leave for illness ect had been paid leave. When I got paid I was shocked at how much money had been deducted. I queried the amount and was told that it was based on 3, 7 hour days at an hourly rate based on a 35 week working year. I therefore was deducted over 500 pounds for 3 days off. This equated to 20% of my gross salary for the month. I am on M6. Is there a formula that dictates how a teachers daily rate is calculated? I can understand the 35 week calculation for the hourly rate if they are paying additional money, but this seems to me to assume we are not paid for any of our holiday, so seems unfair that is should be used to calculate whole days pay. If it is correct I shall just have to swallow it but at the moment I am really angry and upset that I was not told at the time. I am working notice and due to leave at Easter to go and join my daughter but at the moment I don't feel like being here at all, convinced that my Head is just being awkward as he is miffed I am moving on. Any system that costs me almost 1/4 of a months pay for 3 days in an emergency stinks! Sorry said i was angry and hurt but I really would appreciate some advice on whether this is normal practise just seems ludicrous to me.
     
  3. TheoGriff

    TheoGriff Star commenter

    Each school will have its own system.
    Take your overall number of teaching days. 170? 175? Add Inset days. 180?
    Divide your total salary by that, to get the daily rate that you are paid. Is this what has been deducted? If not, go and see the Bursar and ask again how it was worked out exactly, sit down with him and go through it.
    It will seem more in one month because you are paid 1/12 of your annual salary each month, but you don't work 1/12 of the teaching days in a month - some months you work none, others much mnore than 1/12.
    I can understand that you are upset because of the inflexibility. Hope your daughter has settled in well.
    Best wishes
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    TheoGriff. Member of the TES Careers Advice Service.
    The TES Careers Advice service runs seminars and workshops, one-to-one careers and applications advice, one-to-one interview coaching and an application review service.
    I do Application and Interview one-to-ones, and also contribute to the Job Application Workshops. We look at application letters, executive summaries and interviews.
    The next Workshops I'm doing that still have vacancies are on Sunday 13th and Friday 25th February. There is also a specialist Workshop for applications to SLT on Saturday February 19th.
    Go to https://www.tes.co.uk/article.aspx?storyCode=6060678 for more details of these and other seminars.
    Look forward to seeing you!
     
  4. Thank you, will check the figures again but yes i think this is how it was calculated. I just didn't realise that as teachers we were not actually paid for any of our holiday periods.

    Thank you for your advice even if it wasn't what i wanted to hear.
     
  5. noemie

    noemie Occasional commenter

    Gutted for you, I think it's absolutely out of order! Do contact your union, just to see if there's anything dodgy, with you leaving and everything. If as you say, in the past it has been a different pay, then it certainly sounds very sour and unfair.
     
  6. TheoGriff

    TheoGriff Star commenter

    No, no.
    It's not that you don't get any pay for holiday periods.
    It's just that, with that particular way of calculating the daily rate, the holiday pay is included in every day's pay.
    This is the way that is usually used (by a generous indy school) for calculating supply or maternity leave teaching, so that if the absent teacher comes back just before the holidays and the supply no longer gets paid, they have already received the holiday pay through their daily rate.
    It is also the way used by mean schools to deduct a day's pay.
    Two other ways could have been used. Divide whole salary by 365. Very generous indeed and very unlikjely. Or divide it by 365-104 for the Saturdays and Sundays.
    This latter was the way I used when I deducted a day's pay from somebody who lied, saying he was ill, and later it was discovered that he had just taken a day off to do something else. Since he also got a disciplinary warning for this, to use this method of calculation rather than the one your school is using was very generous of me, I feel.
    ____________________________________________________________
    TheoGriff. Member of the TES Careers Advice Service.
    The TES Careers Advice service runs seminars and workshops, one-to-one careers and applications advice, one-to-one interview coaching and an application review service.
    I do Application and Interview one-to-ones, and also contribute to the Job Application Workshops. We look at application letters, executive summaries and interviews.
    The next Workshops I'm doing that still have vacancies are on Sunday 13th and Friday 25th February. There is also a specialist Workshop for applications to SLT on Saturday February 19th.
    Go to https://www.tes.co.uk/article.aspx?storyCode=6060678 for more details of these and other seminars.
    Look forward to seeing you!
     

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