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UC/ESA is not ENOUGH!!

Discussion in 'Personal' started by shakes1616, Mar 26, 2020.

  1. shakes1616

    shakes1616 Occasional commenter

    F""K the government. How can you pay the following on Universal credit or ESA?
    Internet (VM about £70 a month including phone, basic TV and VAT)
    House Insurance ( £275 per year, about £25 a month)
    Boiler insurance approx £18 a month
    Council Tax (Even with a discount it is still about £750 a year)

    How can anyone PAY for these necessary things in the 21st C unless they pay you more per month?
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  2. Jamvic

    Jamvic Star commenter

    + Gas, electricity, water.
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  3. Jude Fawley

    Jude Fawley Star commenter

    Of course it's not enough. It never has been enough. If this is news to you, you must not have been taking notice.

    Poverty is a great leveller. Wealth not so.

    You find when you're on jobseekers allowance or sick pay, people move away from you. They close their eyes and ears to you. They find it embarrassing and can't cope so they try not to think about it. Until it's them.
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  4. Wotton

    Wotton Lead commenter

    Yes it is difficult which is why I've still got 2 young adults living at home. It is also why many people on these allowances don't have TVs and many other items others consider as necessary.
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  5. Jude Fawley

    Jude Fawley Star commenter

    When the government is twisting your arm to get you to work they give you 20% of your expected wage.

    When the government is twisting your arm to get you to not work they give you 80% of your expected wage.
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  6. moonpenny

    moonpenny Occasional commenter

    Universal credit includes housing benefit and since HB is capped, even those who are renting a shared room in a high rent area will have to top up the cost of their rent with the allowance meant for bills, food

    I’ve never understood why some people think that people on benefits have it good.
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  7. shakes1616

    shakes1616 Occasional commenter

    I wish Virgin Media wouldn't charge so much per month to use their internet. The tV is part of their package but it isn't much more than just having internet. TV isn't necessary I agree but it would be boring just sitting at home without anything to watch even the news. House Insurance is necessary as if anything happened, you;d lose your biggest investment in life, your house. Gas, water and electric are all necessities too.
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  8. Jude Fawley

    Jude Fawley Star commenter

    It's usually because they've never been on benefits.
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  9. peakster

    peakster Star commenter

    Benefits have never been enough unless you are on every one going.
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  10. shakes1616

    shakes1616 Occasional commenter

    In America I think you get a percentage of your usual or last wage.
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  11. Lalad

    Lalad Star commenter

    The TV, broadband and phone companies could offer to charge everyone a flat, greatly reduced rate for the next 3 months...couldn't they?
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  12. Luvsskiing

    Luvsskiing Occasional commenter

    If you up the allowances for people, then workers have to pay more taxes. Hands up those currently taking home e.g. £2000 a month who want to take home £1000 a month from next month, just so others can have the latest playstation, a telly in each room, fags etc? There's a balance to be struck. If you really want to do this, just give a grand a month to charity.

    The payment is meant for basics.
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  13. xmal

    xmal Occasional commenter

    My phone/broadband is £30/month (Virgin), contents is £10
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  14. Luvsskiing

    Luvsskiing Occasional commenter

    "being so full of yourself"

    Why is it necessary to make a personal remark? Fair enough if you want to disagree with the opinion but why make an inflammatory personal remark. FYI, I wasn't responding to your post.
  15. Ivartheboneless

    Ivartheboneless Star commenter

    Because claimants have been vilified by right wing press and other media coverage driven by the likes of Cummings and IDS. Perhaps now there might just be a rethink of it as so many people are having to claim. And UC claimants have swamped the system, so it will probably end up screwed for everyone.
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  16. Scintillant

    Scintillant Star commenter

    That's been life for a lot of people in this country in recent years

    Many even get that small amount "sanctioned".
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  17. Jamvic

    Jamvic Star commenter

    50% tax on a wage of £2000pm?

    What if these ‘others’ don’t have a new PlayStation, telly or fags. What if they take their children to the theatre, buy board games, books, and good quality food.

    Many people on benefits are also workers and paying taxes.
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  18. hhhh

    hhhh Lead commenter

    It depends-as you quite rightly say, some people get hardly anything.Yet others boast on social media about how they can save £200 per week for their child-and others on a low wage who struggle to afford to go to the dentist (because they earn just enough not to get it free) understandably get annoyed. The world isn't fair-some people after working for years only get contributions based JSA for 6 months if they lose their job through no fault of their own; equally I know of a woman who has never worked, has eight children paid for by taxpayers and yet had enough to get cosmetic surgery/tattoos/lots of holidays.
  19. sbkrobson

    sbkrobson Star commenter

    I wonder which would be more excruciating to read-a forum of teachers discussing benefit claimants, or a forum of benefit claimants discussing teachers?
    Last edited: Mar 26, 2020
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  20. lexus300

    lexus300 Star commenter

    The problem is the absence of a bottomless purse IMO., and the big unanswered question, how many claimants have paid in for many years before receiving benefits?
    Benefits come from revenue via taxation, if we do not pay in sufficiently we have a problem paying out to meet expectations.
    Also, rents are far too high along with property taxes, they need to be controlled rather than just increasing benefits to pay greedy landlords and inefficient LA’s who take so much off poor people in the main and can do so with legal impunity.
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