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Two in five newly qualified teachers experience mental health problems

Discussion in 'Education news' started by ridleyrumpus, Oct 21, 2018.

  1. ridleyrumpus

    ridleyrumpus Star commenter

  2. phlogiston

    phlogiston Star commenter

    You beat me to it @ridleyrumpus . It is disgraceful. Teaching is a challenging profession when you're in a nice school with supportive management.
    Sadly it's too late and there's little evidence that those above school leaders care.

    However, a good friend of mine has just changed school. She was recently told "you behave as if we're going to come and pull you up to sack you. That's not the case". There is hope in some places.
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  3. drek

    drek Star commenter

    Despite the dfe message about workload I still feel exhausted all the time. Our school has stopped micromanaging marking although some departments are still finding it hard to let teachers manage their own workload around their own individual groups and time tables.

    This is what lies at the bottom of all the stress and over work.

    An English or science teacher’s week is completely different from a Maths or Art or PE teacher’s week. A teacher with additional TLR frees is definitely not the same as a teacher on a full load teaching timetable. Even within the same department teachers have varying teaching hours and completely different groups in terms of demographics!

    Yet these differences were never respected nor accounted for. If a teacher models their idea of a great looking marked excercise book with colour codes and lots of green pen feedback, it has always signified one thing....this person is modelling fool’s gold as the real thing!
    Either they are not using their free periods in an efficient way that benefits every child, e.g. using their frees to take out disaffected children who disrupt the learning of others and under current whole school behaviour policies carry on doing so for the 5 - 7 years they remain at school.

    The message they receive is quite different to what their teachers receive thanks to unapplicable behaviour policies and comparing how a student behaves in PE or drama, to how they behave in geography or science!

    All school meetings should centre around what managers can do for these children, once teachers have gone through the policy procedure once.....

    Instead they waste time trying to bend teaching staff to the same rules despite different subjects having completely different curriculum demands and seeing the same children for completely different lengths of time....in science one staff can teach the same student at secondary for 400 hours or so a year whereas another teacher might see the same student for about a third of that amount in either the same subject or a different one.

    The inefficient use of lead staff....the refusal to take a fair share of the responsibility for disaffected students instead of having to ‘earn’ their points in a completely useless ‘improve teaching’ by modelling this that and the other, or the let’s micromanage just to make the impossible even harder.....

    at the expense of teachers who have to deal with students whose special needs and or violent and drug driven home lives often erupt in the classrooms and impact other students on a daily basis!
  4. yodaami2

    yodaami2 Lead commenter

    This. Except what teacher has frees? All hours are micromanaged, 2.5 hrs ppa, and that’s nowhere’s, nowhere near enough.. yes I’m off soon.
  5. SparkMaths

    SparkMaths Occasional commenter

    Marking codes are my favourite example of this, they are almost always designed for literacy and have nothing Maths specific in them. I've been in several meetings in several schools where the Maths department asks the Head of Maths to ask SLT to consider this.

    CPD is often similar, lots of activities which are great for English/Humanities but have little use in a Maths lesson. So you get a table of bemused and upset Maths teachers thinking about their marking back in their classroom.
  6. David Getling

    David Getling Lead commenter

    This is very true, I love all three of my subjects, which I now tutor privately. However, for schools I chose to specialise in maths. A major reason for this is that without A LOT of support from lab techs a chemistry or physics teacher's workload can easily double. I've covered both of these, for a couple of weeks in a school that couldn't afford lab techs, so I speak from experience. Of course, many science teachers reduce their workload by drastically cutting back on practical work: hardly in the students' best interests.
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  7. teselectronic

    teselectronic Occasional commenter

    Hopefully, not too late!
    This scenario is quite disgraceful.
    Before entering the teaching profession, I attended a two week management techniques course and one of the initial quotations was, "management manage men and men manage working", interpret this as you find appropriate.
    When I was appointed HOF at a struggling school, I had a rod on a prestigious beat, with a price to match; I only fished twice all season, as I put all my energy into pulling the department back into shape. (A huge mistake). None of the management said they were to blame for the low standards in teaching and behaviour, it was all down to the teaching staff! My message is, manage both NQTs and Teaching staff appropriately.
  8. Jolly_Roger15

    Jolly_Roger15 Star commenter

    Certainly true. Our school did away with qualified science technicians and replaced them with 'technical assistants', (mostly doubling up as canteen assistants) who could wash up glassware but little else. If I needed solutions made up, or equipment gathered together for experiments, I had to do this myself. As you say, this greatly increased my workload, so the number of experiments I did decreased.
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  9. ridleyrumpus

    ridleyrumpus Star commenter

    And science teachers wondering how they are going to use these super whizzy teaching methods when each 60 minutes has a new concept to get across and frequently an experiment.
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  10. ridleyrumpus

    ridleyrumpus Star commenter

    I would like to think that the health and safety executive would look at headlines and stats like this and do something.

    When 40% of a workforce is suffering from work related mental health problems there ìs something good very wrong with that working environment.
    eljefeb90, stonerose and phlogiston like this.
  11. catbefriender

    catbefriender Lead commenter

    The mindset is simple. It's not the environment - it's the people coming in, in other words, you have to be already mad to enter the asylum.o_O:(
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  12. David Getling

    David Getling Lead commenter

    When the breaking of the law suits the government's agenda it is only too happy to ignore such transgressions. Just think of the flagrant ageism, in most organisations, that he government turns a blind eye to, despite it's illegality.
    Alice K, stonerose and catbefriender like this.
  13. David Getling

    David Getling Lead commenter

    Ha, I recently made a similar comment in one of the news items. To work in most UK schools you have to be either barking mad or incredibly desperate.
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  14. ridleyrumpus

    ridleyrumpus Star commenter

    Aye, but to get out you have to sign a form stating that you are mad, but by signing the form you prove that you aren't mad....
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  15. ladylyra

    ladylyra New commenter

    I changed schools recently. My hair's started growing again for the first time in like three years. I'm sure it's just a coincidence.

    I've also experienced this bizarre situation where I'm actually trusted to do my job. It made me highly uncomfortable at first but I'm enjoying it now.
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  16. catbefriender

    catbefriender Lead commenter

    Good for you! :)
    I hope your hair, health and confidence keeps getting better.
    Last edited: Oct 22, 2018
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  17. catbefriender

    catbefriender Lead commenter

    And on top of this, there is the DWP drivel i.e. encouraging older workers, specifically those over 50, who currently make up 25% of the UK workforce and in 2020 are predicated to make up a THIRD, to work into retirement and their half baked schemes to encourage industry to take us on, when other government agencies such as schools, hospitals, councils throw us out. The highest number claiming JSA are the over 50s. And don't get be started on the debacle of all those older women who thought they would be getting their pensions at 60, but are now getting it at 66 and who only found out recently, so having to work an extra SIX YEARS, in a climate where once they see your birth date you're not considered.

    How could the HMRC or DWP or whoever was responsible NOT tell them!:mad:
  18. phlogiston

    phlogiston Star commenter

    It's an utterly ridiculous statement to make, but it's true for me as well.
    Enjoy the new job.
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  19. catbefriender

    catbefriender Lead commenter

    Glad you're in a safe place and I hope it remains that way for as long as you need it to.
  20. nervousned

    nervousned Senior commenter

    If Joseph Heller was still alive, I think a good sequel to Catch 22 could be based in a school.
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