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Discussion in 'Personal' started by BelleDuJour, Nov 13, 2019.
I'll get the popcorn!
It's compelling watching. Loathsome Trump loyalist Devin Nunes is trying his best to flip the conversation back onto the Bidens and Hillary Clinton and Democrats. He is failing.
Have I got this right ....they go through all the impeachment process but then the House of Representatives, where the Republicans have a majority, gets to vote on whether or not Trump gets booted out of office?
(That is, it is an expensive waste of time?)
Sort of; like a replay of the Clinton impeachment. Except it's the Senate where the trial is held and the final vote happens.
I recommend following Michael Tracey if you want to hear a sharp and fair assessment. He's a Democrat but he's also honest.
No. The Senate gets to vote, and yes it's currently Republican-controlled, and yes they need a two-thirds majority. As to whether it's a "waste of time" I'm not sure. The proceedings have revealed to the American public the character and unfitness for office of their President. They will also reveal the spinelessness of the Republican Senators, who are so petrified of Trump's base that they will place Trump's survival over the oath they took to defend the Constitution.
Of course there's nothing to stop Republican Senators from hearing the evidence and voting to convict, but we all know they won't.
Republicans on the Hearing trying to aggressively question the witness - all by way of winning brownie points for Trump. Jim Jordan and Jim Ratcliffe - you're pathetic!
@MAGAorMIGA Thanks and yes my error, got my houses/chambers mixed up.
Indeed, a 2 thirds majority to vote for impeachment in the senate does seem.....impossible.
I'm curious, what makes you think that President Trump is unfit? And, I disagree with you on what the Americans think of him.
I'm not convinced they will have revealed the character and unfitness of the President. Much like Rees Mogg being a disgrace, it is obviously the case and shouldn't need discussion. But people still vote for them both and try and defend them.
Keeps people distracted from the real crimes the American state commits.
Ah so it has the same purpose as Brexit?
Yes, it’s a bit like someone reading the Russian report out live to Johnson and then painstakingly asking him about every single piece of the report, live on television until the general public finally realise he is corrupt and bribed by billionaires as any other politician.
It’s not about the impeachment. It’s about excoriating him live, rather like Johnson currently seems to face every time he gets near the general public. He must find it a little soul depressing. Blair arrived like a rock star. Johnson is booed at every event.
The lack of Brexit (as yet) is a crime against democracy, but that is another thread.
A hard Brexit will be a crime against the economic prospects of the country.
Many people don't see that yet - but they will.
When they revel an actual impeachable offense, let me know. But since none has been committed, none will be revealed.
Impeachment is a serious matter for a President - Richard Nixon chucked the towel in to avoid it, and look what happened to him.
He was granted a Presidential pardon by his Vice President Gerald Ford.
No, he was pardoned by his successor, President Ford.
I stand corrected on the title but basically his best buddy in the White House let him off the hook. The same parachute will probably be offered again if Trump has to bail out.
Trump won't have to bail out.This thing is pure political theatre. BUTif this farce ever did get to the Senate (which is the last thing the Dems want) and if enough GOP senators turned quisling to convict him because the GOP doesn't love Trump anymore than the Dems do, there's nothing to stop him running as an independent candidate. He'd win by a landslide, it would humiliate the Dems and completely destroy the Republican Party. And from my point of view, those are all good outcomes.