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Trainee Teacher and Moving to Bangkok

Discussion in 'Teaching overseas' started by electro-web, Jan 20, 2011.

  1. electro-web

    electro-web New commenter

    Hi

    I'm going to qualify in 11-16 Science QTS in March, with a specialism in Physics. My wife and I want to move to Bangkok for a couple of years - her job can move out there, and the idea of teaching internationally appeals to me. We're lucky in that her salary could cover us both for a while in Bangkok if we needed to. We'd like to move out sooner rather than later.

    I'm not straight out of uni, I'm in my early 30s and am now teaching after a successful 10 year career in an unrelated area.

    The job situation around my area isn't looking great and there's a lot of competition from people on my own course and the two local universities pouring out people from a PGCE. I know that the ideal would be to complete my NQT in the UK to become fully qualified before moving overseas.

    But given the cutbacks, apparent scarcity of jobs and competition, I'm not hugely hopeful! Would it be feasible to get a job internationally without having completed my NQT year? Could I move over and settle than start to look for a job while I'm there or would it be impossible without full qualification and UK experience?

    If I did that, would that prejudice me getting a UK job later given I'd still have to complete NQT? Or would my couple of years overseas give me a better chance given I'd still be on the bottom rung of salary but more experienced?

    I've done well on the training and I know I could get glowing references (one school all but offered me a job, but didn't have one to offer).
     
  2. Karvol

    Karvol Occasional commenter

    The problem with getting a job when you are abroad is that you may be taken on as local hire. This would mean that you are not entitled to ex-pat terms but to a local salary.
    This is not always the case or you may be perfectly happy with a local salary if it is, but it bears at least trying to check out.
     
  3. electro-web

    electro-web New commenter

    OK, I obviously need to be clear on local hire.

    The situation is that my wife works for the family business (her and her parents). They use a lot of suppliers in and around Thailand and do 3 or 4 buying trips per year. Essentially, she'd be doing her existing job self-employed and paid by the business in the UK, as it would make life easier for them to have someone reliably acting as a Bangkok coordinator. So in fact, she wouldn't be 'employed' locally and wouldn't actually have a working visa. Initially, we'd have to go in on tourist visas and do visa runs.

    Would that make a difference as to whether I'd be hired as an ex-pat?
     
  4. 576

    576 Established commenter

    You should check with your university or placement school.
    I have seen references on tes forums to the fact that there is only a small window in which you can complete your NQT year.

     
  5. Busstopjen

    Busstopjen New commenter

    ....and most international schools will want a few years UK experience. However, I know St Steve's in BKK (which is hiring now) took on an NQT last year, so it is a possibility....
     
  6. electro-web

    electro-web New commenter

    I was under the impression that there was a 5 year limit to doing NQT after qualification. But this requirement seems to have disappeared.

    As I said, the ideal is to do NQT first. But ultimately, if I can't find a job here then have I got anything to lose trying over there? Would it prejudice me being able to do NQT on my return?
     
  7. I am also doing a PGCE at the moment and thinking of doing a similar thing. I spoke to my tutor in Faculty about it and she said that whilst there is technically no limit on when you need to do your induction year you should probably do it within 2 or 3 years, otherwise you may be asked to do a refresher course of some sort. Hope that helps. I am still trying to decide!
     
  8. " Q. Is there a deadline by which NQTs have to finish their induction?

    A. It is normally expected that teachers will complete induction within five years of
    starting it. However, where significant time has elapsed between gaining QTS and starting induction, or where there is a significant gap between teaching posts during the induction period, NQTs may want to consider undertaking some refresher training"
    http://www.bristol-cyps.org.uk/services/pdf/nqt_induction_faqs.pdf


     
  9. lottee1000

    lottee1000 Occasional commenter

    Hi,

    RE local hire vs overseas- what your wife's situation is has no bearing on your employment- it is up to the school. Some will fudge it and take you on as overseas hire even if you're already here, some won't. A local hire job will seem pitiful in terms of money compared to the UK, but if you don't need to save and your wife's salary can support you, that might not matter.

    RE NQT status- all the schools in BKK say you need to have two years experience, which would normally include having done your NQT year. However, as the poster above says, occasionally schools will take on teachers straight from university- I know of three cases across two schools. This might be due to an outstanding applicant, a cheap applicant (local hire), lack of other applicants, or an emergency such as someone leaving part-way through a contract. You're at an advantage here as physics teachers are like gold-dust.

    RE- returning to the UK- all the schools I asked before leaving said they wouldn't consider someone who'd had more than five years without completing their NQT, so I guess it depends on how soon you would be leaving?

    My advice would be; if you really don't want to do your NQT straight away, start looking for a job straight away, and try have one lined up for when you arrive in BKK. If nothing comes up, come anyway, but quickly make yourself known at appropriate schools so that they can come to you if anything crops up straight away.

    Regards, Lottee
     
  10. electro-web

    electro-web New commenter

    I think that sums up my plan, thanks for all the advice.

    I think that I do have a reasonable chance of employment because of teaching Physics and also previous work experience outside of education. Although it doesn't strictly matter, I'm not a 23 year old straight out of uni.

    However, I definitely want to do NQT first - not just because of immediate prospects but for the future and the experience. I'm going to look in two places: both at home and 250 miles away where I could live with my parents (but only if I'm really desperate - I don't want to leave my wife for 9 months!)

    And as you say, if I can't get a position here then I'm better off unemployed in Bangkok than unemployed in the UK!

    As for local hire, I'll try and fudge it as best I can by doing everything via UK where I can.

    thanks a lot
     
  11. invincible

    invincible New commenter

    The correct and most up-to-date information on Induction:
    Is there a deadline by which newly qualified teachers (NQTs) must start and finish induction?
    No. NQTs are encouraged to start their induction as soon as possible after gaining QTS, but there is no set time limit for starting or completing induction. If significant time has elapsed between gaining QTS and starting induction, or there is a significant gap between teaching posts during the induction period, NQTs can consider undertaking refresher training.
    See paragraph 2.55 of the Statutory Guidance on Induction for Newly Qualified Teachers in England (ref: DCSF-00364-2008).
    http://tda.gov.uk/teacher/nqt-induction/faqs.aspx

    Note the expectation of finishing induction within 5 years once started is no longer there. It ended in September 2009.
     

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