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Toxic diversity: Criminal magistrates

Discussion in 'Personal' started by Vince_Ulam, Aug 22, 2018.

  1. Vince_Ulam

    Vince_Ulam Star commenter

    Want to uphold the law in your community? Break the law in your community:

    People with criminal records urged to become magistrates

    '"People aren't applying from ethnic minorities because they have the idea that people from their backgrounds don't become magistrates and that is obviously erroneous."'
    News.sky.com, 22nd August 2018.

    By some accounts criminals already run their prisons so why not the courts too? Britain really is going to the dogs, as Peter Hitchens says "welcome to the Third World without the sunshine".
  2. Jude Fawley

    Jude Fawley Star commenter

    Crime Chronology Questionnaire.

    Did you mess your life up right from the start are you waiting until you've secured that post, met the perfect partner and bought that expensive set of kitchen knives?
  3. install

    install Star commenter

    It references those with 'old ..minor criminal records' as being encouraged to apply and in the same article references minorities?

    I am getting mixed signals here :rolleyes:
    Moony likes this.
  4. Jude Fawley

    Jude Fawley Star commenter

    I'm surprised there's not a sentencing app available.
  5. lanokia

    lanokia Star commenter

    It's benevolent racism.

    ''Hey we know you minority folk can't help but commit crimes but we forgive you because we're white knights like that, so join us and let us learn from you.''
    afterdark likes this.
  6. ajs12345

    ajs12345 New commenter

    One would have thought that a prerequisite to becoming part of the judicial system would be a clean criminal record!
    To suggest otherwise debases the law. I don’t see how/why race should come into it...
    Absolute madness
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  7. hhhh

    hhhh Star commenter

    Plus it's illogical. Perhaps we know what they mean, but the way the quotation is written is illogical.
  8. Vince_Ulam

    Vince_Ulam Star commenter

    The premise of this suggested move by the Magistates' Association is that to be black is to be criminal. This corporate working assumption itself explains why black people might not wish or be able to join this group.
  9. RuthTom

    RuthTom Occasional commenter

    Having caught part of a radio 4 interview on this, the Magistrate (or whoever was being interviewed) clarified that the crimes were minor - he gave the example of speeding fines - and refused to elaborate any further, saying that it depended on each individual application. He emphasised that having committed a minor crime in the past shouldn’t put people off applying.
  10. Vince_Ulam

    Vince_Ulam Star commenter

    It seems that being criminally feckless does not prevent a person becoming a magistrate and might help you to avoid a custodial sentence for your crimes:

    Wigan magistrate and daughter neglected dogs

    'Chairman of the bench Ruth James said the offences were serious enough to warrant custodial sentences.

    But she added: "Custody was not appropriate in the case taking into account all the circumstances and the mitigating factors."
    BBC.co.uk, 8th May 2018.

    Mitigating factors like being a magistrate in the same manor, perhaps.
    Last edited: Aug 23, 2018
  11. Rott Weiler

    Rott Weiler Star commenter Forum guide

    I heard it too. He (John Bache - he's the chair of the Magistrates Association) made a bit of a hash of it really. His original press release conflated two different issues (1) wanting to increase the ethnic diversity of magistrates and (2) wanting minor criminal records not to be a bar to being a magistrate. Someone should really have pointed out to him that joining them together in the same press release would lead people to read it as meaning that ethnic minorities were more likely to have criminal records. He was challenged on this and didn't handle the challenge very well.

    He was pressed to give examples and took refuge in the "every case on its own merits" response. The question was an obvious one to be asked and he should have been prepared for it. He eventually came up with the 'speeding conviction from 10 years ago' example. He was even challenged on that and had to agree that a conviction like that doesn't bar you from being a magistrate now! Few people would imagine that being caught by a speed camera 10 years ago, even if technically a criminal conviction, barred you from being a magistrate anyway.

    He then dug himself deeper in by agreeing that if the local community knew that the Magistrate might have criminal convictions too they would have more confidence in the court!

    He really shouldn't be allowed out without a press officer minder…..
    lanokia likes this.
  12. lanokia

    lanokia Star commenter

    So 88% of magistrates are white.

    UK white population is 92%.

    Then they complain magistrates aren't diverse enough?

    Laphroig likes this.

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