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to teach abroad or not to teach abroad??!

Discussion in 'Teaching overseas' started by justme1982, Jan 10, 2010.

  1. Hello there,

    It's been a while since i last came on here but i though i'd seek some advice....

    I'm currently in my 5th year of teaching as a special needs teacher in london (and 2nd in special needs dept). I love my job but i know that i will end up abroad, either teaching or travelling. Preferably i would like to actually teach abroad in a salary paid position but there is also the option to do a few months here and there for a few hundred pounds a month with a qualification such as TEFL....i also have pastoral experience as deputy head of year, experience of co-ordinating a whole school scheme and am currently teaching lower school english (my original specialism was dance so at the start i taught KS3-5 dance as subject leader and music and drama)....as you can see i have a bit of a mixed bag and am also in my third school......(bit of history there!)
    CLeary i don't want my CV to look like i have been 'flitting' around for the past 5 years but i am very ambitious in terms of wanting to experiencing different places, cultures and schools....
    I have always known that one day i will end up abroad and as i love my job i feel that teaching will be the basis of that...so here's a few questions i would like some help with...

    1) Which places have good benefits packages? I am very open to location, i am used to living in cities but would consider quieter places, close to nature etc...
    2) Has anyone had any memorable experiences of teaching abroad?
    3) Should i complete the tefl course and look for graduate positions or more fixed contracts?
    4) What should i do first?!
    5) SHould i look at international private or state schools? which ones are best?

    Also i am considereing going through threshold and then making the moveafter my 6th year....i'm trying to be responsible with it all...what do u think?

    My ultimate aim for this move would be to experience something different, would love to immersed in a different culture and way of life....
    Thanks! :)
     
  2. Hello there,

    It's been a while since i last came on here but i though i'd seek some advice....

    I'm currently in my 5th year of teaching as a special needs teacher in london (and 2nd in special needs dept). I love my job but i know that i will end up abroad, either teaching or travelling. Preferably i would like to actually teach abroad in a salary paid position but there is also the option to do a few months here and there for a few hundred pounds a month with a qualification such as TEFL....i also have pastoral experience as deputy head of year, experience of co-ordinating a whole school scheme and am currently teaching lower school english (my original specialism was dance so at the start i taught KS3-5 dance as subject leader and music and drama)....as you can see i have a bit of a mixed bag and am also in my third school......(bit of history there!)
    CLeary i don't want my CV to look like i have been 'flitting' around for the past 5 years but i am very ambitious in terms of wanting to experiencing different places, cultures and schools....
    I have always known that one day i will end up abroad and as i love my job i feel that teaching will be the basis of that...so here's a few questions i would like some help with...

    1) Which places have good benefits packages? I am very open to location, i am used to living in cities but would consider quieter places, close to nature etc...
    2) Has anyone had any memorable experiences of teaching abroad?
    3) Should i complete the tefl course and look for graduate positions or more fixed contracts?
    4) What should i do first?!
    5) SHould i look at international private or state schools? which ones are best?

    Also i am considereing going through threshold and then making the moveafter my 6th year....i'm trying to be responsible with it all...what do u think?

    My ultimate aim for this move would be to experience something different, would love to immersed in a different culture and way of life....
    Thanks! :)
     
  3. Hi there,

    Im currently teaching in Dubai and although the package im on is not the best available due to the high living costs in Dubai, it does include accomodation, flights healthcare etc that makes it worthwhile.
    In regards your current position though I do find it silly that your considering TEFL? why would you do this when you can clearly if qaulified teach Dance / Drama or English in any International school.
    If your lookiing for culture, Dubai is not for you but is still good fun. Its a vibrant lifestyle and one in which you can live comfortably after you have got over the fact that Dubai can be very very expensive if you want it to be. I survive on around 800 a month after sending over 1000 pounds a month back to the Uk. Im still out every weekend and eat out 3 - 4 times a week.
    If you are serious I would suggest registering with an agency such as teachanywhere and asking all the questions! they were great with me.

    As for public or private abroad!!! I think you ahve to remember your teaching in an SEN school In london and im 99% sure any international school will be like a breath of fresh air! I taught in a tough inner city Liverpool school and find the students in my school a breeze.
    One final answer is that all experiences of teaching internationnally so far for me have been memorable and I would reccommend it to anyone stuck within the UK education system.
     
  4. If you are after money go to the Middle East, Asia is very good for lifestyle great weather, social life and travel.

    I would reccomend interntaional schools over state, as you usually get better packages.

    This is my first year teaching abroad, I so far no regrets,I work in Thailand, go out every weekend, eat out most nights, send back money to save, go away for regualar weekends and plan to have 14 weeks holiday (by that I mean go away rather than stay ay home doing DIY).

    None of this I could do on my better salary in England.

    Look outside the window at the weather in london that should make your decison easier.

    Good Luck.
     
  5. Just to add do your reserach about the school and country before you decide to move there, despite what I put above there will be downsides and tough times, mainly in your first few months.

    But overall we are more than happy with our choice.
     
  6. Hi Mainwaring,
    I apologise for the grammatical errors in my previous post and have sent you a ‘Private Message’ rather than using the media of a public forum to publically belittle someone who was doing nothing more than trying to lend a hand to someone clearly seeking advice.
    I also forgot to mention that this is made worse by the fact that you in no way actually know anything about me, including my sound educational background, the current position I’m holding or the fact that I actually have a life other than posting generic, boring self appraising posts on a public forum for nothing more than self gratitude.
    Kind regards.


     
  7. You might have a point there, Stoddy, but you did take his advice though didn't you? (dictionary on post 2 used I reckon).
    You survive on 1800 stg a month in Dubai? Hard to believe, but if so, congratulations.


     
  8. the hippo

    the hippo Established commenter Community helper

    For once, I feel that I cannot agree with the Sage of Walmington-On-Sea. Yes, poor spelling and grammatical errors are annoying, as well as being potentially harmful to one's career. However, Mainwaring knows that there are more gentle ways of pointing this out. A PM is perhaps more appropriate.

     
  9. Mainwaring

    Mainwaring Occasional commenter

    Dear Stoddy,
    I have no objection to continuing the discussion on the forum and I don't see why it should worry you. There was no intention to 'belittle' anybody personally. Neither is there any need to 'apologise' to me. A person's errors (and I make them too, as I was quick to admit) don't damage anybody but himself and, possibly, his students.
    Ah, the 'get-a-life' ad hominem argument. I wish I'd thought of that and I'll bet old Prof Chomsky does too. I'm not sure what you mean by 'generic' but I suspect that the other phrase you're groping for is 'self-aggrandizement'. However, you are dead wrong in suggesting that my post was not, among other things, sincere advice to the aspiring applicant. During many years of school administration I have read some thousands of teacher applications. The ability to write competently is the first hurdle of an increasingly competitive race, unless you're lucky enough to hit on a dyslexic Principal who's desperate for your particular subject specialism.
    I have no reason to doubt your statement that you personally hold a responsible post in a good institution but you've quite clearly achieved this in spite of the poor quality of your English expression. However, this doesn't mean that other applicants with dodgy grammar and spelling will meet with the same success, especially if they are encouraged to apply for English teaching posts.
    Kind Regards,
    MW

     
  10. Hi Pharaoh,
    Thanks for your kind words. Due to time constraints my first post was rushed. As for the dictionary.... We will never know.
    In regards the money in Dubai, I survive on approx 6000 AED a month sending a further 7000 - 8000 home. Quite easy I have found. The 'Entertainer' is the best book ever written.
     
  11. Mainwaring

    Mainwaring Occasional commenter

    Praise the Lord!
    ...and pass the ammunition.
     
  12. Dear Mainwaring,
    "I have no reason to doubt your statement that you personally hold a responsible post in a good institution but you've quite clearly achieved this in spite of the <u>poor quality of your English expression"</u>
    I think your comment merely supports my argument!!! Once again you have choosen a public forum as a means of personal insult without any prior knowledge of the individual in question. I find this to be in very poor taste. Therefore "I refuse to have a battle of wits with an unarmed person".
    I have no desire to continue a discussion taht if we take a step back, we know is actually in no way prosperous to either party, or, or any help to the original author of the thread.
    <font face="Calibri" size="3">I have far more pressing issues to deal such as the iminent KHDA inspection and the welfare of the ONLY people I care about as a teacher, my students.</font><font face="Calibri" size="3"> In conclusion, please feel free to PM me with your school details thus ensuring I do not waste your time with a particularly weak application
    </font>Regards




     
  13. Oh Mainwaring,
    Please note my spelling mistakes and poor use of English.
    Thanks
     
  14. Mainwaring

    Mainwaring Occasional commenter

    Faulty logic, I'm afraid.
    No, I haven't. I have merely commented on the poor quality your English, a fact which is both obvious and relevant to the thread.
    No such knowledge is necessary. Poor English doesn't magically become good English when one has access to the biographical details of the writer.
    Now, THAT's an insult, though, for fairly obvious reasons, rather a lame one.
    Don't worry about accidentally applying to 'my' school. I gave up schools three years ago in favour of 'getting' a different kind of life.

     
  15. Thankyou very much for your advice!
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  16. I don't spend a lot of time on here but just to say thankyou for all the advice. [​IMG]

    I'm not one for having rows over the internet but to the one ridiculous user...I think you may have too much time on your hands, and quite frankly, i didn't find your advice useful, just nasty. Why would you spend so much time picking up on grammatical errors etc when all I wanted was some advice?! If you must know i spent a maximum of 5 minutes writing this message....hmmm, maybe i should've proof read it?! Thankyou for all those useful replies however, to the person who thought it necessary to belittle other people's advice, you know what they say.....if you haven't got anything nice to say, don't say anything at all......whoops i forgot my speech marks....maybe i should've written sum longa words or sumfin 2......
     
  17. Mainwaring

    Mainwaring Occasional commenter

    So long? I don't believe it.
     
  18. I'm not sure whether the person who posted the original question even bothers to look anymore. Just in case they do, I'll chip in...
    I teach at an International School in Finland. The benefits are non-existant and the pay is poor compared with UK pay. However, the lifestyle, pace of life and general levels of tolerance for one's fellowman are wonderful! My advice is to consider the whole deal, not just the material benefits before making any decisions.
     
  19. I had a great time abroad- a few years in singapore ex-pat style and I am glad that I did it sooner rather than later because of all that travelling even at weekends let alone high days and holidays.You need youth to teach well <u>and</u> travel lots and lots (I will probably get shouted at here!!) Asia is so easy to move around, and fascinating. Once you get out there or somewhere else, you will see. If you can, do some kind of TEFL before you go as it will give you options for the future should you decide to drift and settle in equal measures. Threshold will always be there if/when you decide to come back. Just be aware that UK school may/may not count your years of experience towards your pay scale. But in exchange for that you have the potential for amazing travel, a fascinating insight to the expat world (which you may or may not take to in the long term but it does no damage for a few years or so!!) and the money was good enough to genuinely save to cover lost pension etc..) and other opportunities in other countries for voluntary work, casual TEFL work. IF you do return you honestly wouldn't want to work for a head who didn't value your potential global experience- If you are a good teacher you will find a job! Go and enjoy!
     
  20. hello

    i have 3.5 yrs experience, im currently teaching reception in london but have always wanted to teach abroad. i am looking into thailand and vietnam. where about do you teach? there are some jobs in bangkok. do you know what teaching is like there?

    many thanks
     

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