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To stop the recruitment crises Teacher Training should be a minimum 2:1

Discussion in 'Education news' started by Skeptical_John, Mar 2, 2016.

  1. Skeptical_John

    Skeptical_John New commenter

    At least that appears to be logic put forward by this economics graduate

    https://www.tes.com/news/school-new...uld-be-minimum-qualification-teacher-training

    Now, you can argue teaching should require a 2:1, because without achieving that you're not intelligent enough to be a teacher. However by my (very limited) economics understanding this goes against everything in supply and demand?

    It would of been helpful if the author supplied any other profession where an increase in standards alone has led to a higher supply applicants.
     
  2. Vince_Ulam

    Vince_Ulam Star commenter

    Little Ollie has a 2:1.





    Not much else.
     
  3. Middlemarch

    Middlemarch Star commenter

    He makes no actual argument for how this would "stop the recruitment crisis". He talks about how nice it would be, blah blah - but no rationale for relating such a move to solving the recruitment crisis.

    He admits it sounds "counterintuitive" - that's because it IS.
     
  4. delnon

    delnon Lead commenter

    Supply and demand is why academies are allowed to recruit unqualified staff as teachers. Granted that good knowledge of a subject is no guarantee of being able to teach it, I'd go along with a 2.1 as the minimum requirement. But then there would have to be proper training such as is carried out in successful countries, a proper career structure, a proper salary, and the ability to be a professional without having to put up with a bunch of arrogant amateurs telling you how to do something they could never do in a year of Sundays.
    Won't happen. It'll be done on the cheap as usual.
     
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  5. Skeptical_John

    Skeptical_John New commenter

    I was informed on twitter that 'this worked in Finland' how often does that phrase come up? I mean why stop at a 2:1 you could make it a first and get even more, right?
     
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  6. Vince_Ulam

    Vince_Ulam Star commenter

    TES News is desperate for content. They're practically dragging in off the street anyone who can use a keyboard. The MumsNet founder posted something the other day.
     
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  7. applecrumblebumble

    applecrumblebumble Lead commenter

    Well this young man came across as a typical teach first - ask questions later.
    As for OFSTED offering helpful advice - this is the next big stick to beat your staff with. Yet another of those future leaders who have no ideas just talking the party line.
     
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  8. delnon

    delnon Lead commenter

    OFTWIT offering helpful advice: that's like the bloke on the terraces in his XXXXXL footy shirt dreaming that he could go on the pitch and score the winning goal.
     
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  9. Scintillant

    Scintillant Star commenter

    In amongst all this head scratching and "Teach First then run away quick" pearls of wisdom such as "I want to raise awareness of teaching", has anyone had the bright idea of turning it back into a job which people don't want to leave... that might do it.
     
  10. applecrumblebumble

    applecrumblebumble Lead commenter

    Having read the article what is the retention rate for teach first - not good last time I looked. A cost of 42 million pounds for 1200 trainees with a 40% dropout rate maybe we should only make it PhDs only.
     
  11. phlogiston

    phlogiston Star commenter

    Why would 'the best' want to put up with teachers' pay and conditions?
     
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  12. Scintillant

    Scintillant Star commenter

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  13. Compassman

    Compassman Star commenter

    One of the best teachers I worked with had a 3rd..........
     
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  14. Yoda-

    Yoda- Lead commenter

    Interesting idea. Solve recruitment and retention by having a higher level of degree. Making it more difficult to enter teaching.

    Will this not produce even fewer trainees? How does this help? Do people with higher class honour degrees stay in teaching longer? If so where is the proof?

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  15. mm38

    mm38 New commenter

    It also adds no context. Is a 2:2 from Oxbridge really that bad a degree?
     
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  16. Billie73

    Billie73 Occasional commenter

    I actually think it's inhumane to train anymore teachers until they sort this hideous mess out.
     
  17. Owennnn

    Owennnn Occasional commenter

    I don't have a 2:1.

    I guess I should just leave now?
     
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  18. Flere-Imsaho

    Flere-Imsaho Star commenter

    Is the idea not that if you insist upon good graduates those people will insist upon better pay and conditions which will make teaching a high status and desirable profession hence improving recruitment. It's a bit of a long term plan.
    o_O
     
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  19. NellyFUF

    NellyFUF Lead commenter

    Yes. Because there are no good graduates in teaching right now.o_O
     
  20. blazer

    blazer Star commenter

    Or is the plan that if you only accept 2;1s or better then the market will mean you have to offer better pay to attract the limited supply of suitable applicants away from other professions?

    Back in the day when I started teaching a 'good' degree started you further up the pay spine. IIRC a 2:1 or better started you on pay point 4 (on an 11 point scale). You also got extra points for relevant work experience. My 15 years in industry as a scientist got me another 5 pay points ( 1 for 3) so I started on point 9 of the scale. (My HT was not pleased)!
     

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