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Ths is what happens when an irresponsible liar whips up prejudice and fear..

Discussion in 'Personal' started by MAGAorMIGA, Nov 4, 2018.


    MAGAorMIGA Star commenter


    FALFURRIAS, Tex. —Gun-carrying civilian groups and border vigilantes have heard a call to arms in President Trump’s warnings about threats to American security posed by caravans of Central American migrants moving through Mexico. They’re packing coolers and tents, oiling rifles and tuning up aerial drones, with plans to form caravans of their own and trail American troops to the border.
    “We’ll observe and report, and offer aid in any way we can,” said Shannon McGauley, a bail bondsman in the Dallas suburbs who is president of the Texas Minutemen. McGauley said he was preparing to head for the Rio Grande in coming days.

    “We’ve proved ourselves before, and we’ll prove ourselves again,” he said.
    McGauley and others have been roused by the president’s call to restore order and defend the country against what Trump has called “an invasion,” as thousands of Central American migrants advance slowly through southern Mexico toward the U.S. border. Trump has insisted that “unknown Middle Easterners,” “very tough fighters,” and large numbers of violent criminals are traveling among the women, children and families heading north on foot.

    The Texas Minutemen, according to McGauley, have 100 volunteers en route to the Rio Grande who want to help stop the migrants, with more likely on the way.

    “I can’t put a number on it,” McGauley said. “My phone’s been ringing nonstop for the last seven days. You got other militias, and husbands and wives, people coming from Oregon, Indiana. We’ve even got two from Canada.”

    Asked whether his group planned to deploy with weapons, McGauley laughed. “This is Texas, man,” he said.
    And yet, the prospect of armed vigilantes showing up beside thousands of U.S. troops — along with Border Patrol agents, police officers and migrants — is considered serious enough that miliary planners have issued warnings to Army commanders.

    According to military planning documents obtained by Newsweek, the military is concerned about the arrival of “unregulated militia members self-deploying to the border in alleged support” of U.S. Customs and Border Protection.

    The assessment estimates that 200 militia members could show up. “They operate under the guise of citizen patrols,” the report said, while warning of “incidents of unregulated militias stealing National Guard equipment during deployments.”

    The military report provided no further details about the alleged thefts.

    Manuel Padilla Jr., the top Border Patrol official in the agency’s Rio Grande Valley sector, the nation’s busiest for illegal crossings, said he has not issued any instructions to agents in the field or to landowners whose properties are adjacent to the river. But he plans to meet with community members in the coming week, he said, to address their concerns.

    “We don’t have any specific information about the militias,” said Padilla, reached by phone along the border. “We have seen them in the past, and when things start getting really busy, we have to make sure to let the community know they’re out there.”

    “But they’re doing that on their own,” Padilla said.

    McGauley said that in addition to weapons and camping gear, his group will have night-vision goggles and aerial drones with thermal sensing equipment, capable of operating in darkness. He emphasized that the group would report any suspicious activity to authorities and would heed any instructions from Border Patrol agents or military personnel.

    Several landowners in the area said they do not want the militias around.

    Michael Vickers, a veterinarian and rancher who lives an hour north of the border in Falfurrias, said that he will not let militia members from outside the area onto his property and that he doubts most area landowners would trust outsiders.

    “They are a bunch of guys with a big mouth and no substance to them,” said Vickers, a Republican who heads the 300-strong Texas Border Volunteers. The group doesn’t call itself a militia, although it patrols ranchland to intercept migrants who hike through the brush to attempt to avoid Border Patrol checkpoints. The group uses ATVs, night-vision goggles, spotlights and trained dogs.

    “People on the [Rio Grande] have been calling us,” Vickers said. His group is in a “holding pattern,” he said, adding, “We can have 100 volunteers in a hot area in four to eight hours.

    “We’ve already talked to a bunch of landowners who wanted to know if we’ll be operating if the Border Patrol can’t be there to keep their property from being vandalized and their crops from being messed up.”

    “We’re ready to move,” he said.

    Others in South Texas are less enthusiastic.

    Lucy Kruse, 96, said immigrants often stop on her property as they walk through the bush country, sometimes breaking into a small cabin to sleep. Her family’s ranch lies amid the thorny mesquite brush, cactus and tawny dry grass 80 miles north of the border.

    As the migrant caravans head north, she and other landowners in the area worry that the number of trespassers walking through their ranches will increase dramatically. But many say the militias coming to the area also pose a threat.

    “I will not let militia on my land,” Kruse said. “They’re civilians stepping into a situation where the Border Patrol is supposed to be in control and make decisions. They could damage property or harm workers. I would guess they would be trigger-happy. If they shot someone, they might just say the person they shot was reaching for a gun.”

    Joe Metz, 80, lives in what looks like a pastoral tropical paradise near Mission, a town of 84,000 in the Rio Grande Valley. Tall, green sugar cane grows beside the wide river, and citrus trees dot the sandy small hillocks away from the banks.

    The Rio Grande is less than a mile from Metz’s living room window, and a section of border wall crosses his property. He has watched for years as border-crossers ford the river and walk onto his land, their first step on American soil. The wall has slowed the flow significantly, he said, but between 50 and 100 people a day still cross through the farm next door.

    He worries that the caravan, which includes many women and children, will surge through the area, but he doesn’t want armed vigilantes on his farm.

    “The militia just needs to stay where they are,” said Metz, a Republican. “We don’t need fanatical people. We don’t need anybody here with guns. Why do they have guns? I have dealt with illegals for 30 years, and all of them have been scared, asking for help. The militias need to stay up north where they belong. We have no use for them here. They might shoot someone or hurt someone.”

    But the heir to the state’s largest and most influential ranch disagrees. Stephen J. “Tio” Kleberg, who has lived most of his life on the 825,000-acre King Ranch outside of Kingsville, said that he will allow militia groups on his ranch, which is larger than the state of Rhode Island.

    “I think if the [caravan members] get across the river, they need to be caught and sent back,” said Kleberg, who wears a bushy handlebar mustache and chews an unlit cigar.

    “Once they get on U.S. soil, they need to be stopped and detained. We don’t have enough Border Patrol, ICE and Highway Patrol to handle them. If we get 2,000 or 3,000 people, we will need the militia,” Kleberg said.

    Donald Trump is dangerous, and irresponsible. To unleash groups of trigger-happy wacko vigilantes, fired up by patriotism and convinced that the migrant caravan contains dangerous Islamist terrorists (because Donald told them so) is an obvious recipe for disaster, death and massacre. Far from being the cool head in a crisis, the person urging moderation and compromise, the orange dunderhead in the Oval Office is enflaming and enraging people in an already volatile situation. America get rid.
  2. sparkleghirl

    sparkleghirl Star commenter

    I saw yeterday pictures supposed to be of US troops arriving at the border area to face the approaching migrants.

    When men, women and children get shot as they arrive at the border will that count as a race war or a class war?
    slingshotsally likes this.
  3. magic surf bus

    magic surf bus Star commenter

    Remember The Alamo, when men were men, and fought to the death for every American's God-given right to wear a strange hat:

  4. Orkrider2

    Orkrider2 Star commenter

    Meanwhile, another angry white man walks into a yoga studio and shoots two women dead.
    So that's 2 black people at a store, 11 Jewish people at a synagogue and 2 women at a yoga studio murdered in just one week because they were black, Jewish or women, but we're supposed to believe that the real threat is non-white people trying to improve their lives.
    Jamvic, agathamorse, InkyP and 5 others like this.
  5. peakster

    peakster Star commenter

    There are now hundreds of national guard personnel and an unknown number of gun toting nutters who think they are Davy Crockett gathering at the US border.

    The migrant "caravan" is 700 miles away.

    So you have many armed people gathering together in a situation of heightening tension - whipped up by an irresponsible idiot who doesn't actually give a toss about any of them.

    Guess what is eventually going to happen.
  6. blazer

    blazer Star commenter

    Remember the Alamo
  7. FrankWolley

    FrankWolley Star commenter

    Hmm...Who won the battle of the Alamo? ;)
  8. burajda

    burajda Star commenter

    Despite the story of their heroic stand, Didnt the Gringos lose the battle of The Alamo ?
    The regulars and the militias standing guard at the border should be able to do better against unarmed men, women and children who are threatening to take back Texas.
  9. xmal

    xmal Established commenter

    I thought this thread would be about rabid anti-semites in corbyn's Labour party.
  10. burajda

    burajda Star commenter

    It could have been about many political leaders, like those right wingers running Israel for example or their fascist counterparts on the Gaza strip.
    MAGAorMIGA likes this.
  11. Aquamarina1234

    Aquamarina1234 Star commenter

    They're just s.c.um rejoicing in the fact they think they have a righteous mission to kill people, encouraged by Mr President himself. Violent thugs wetting themselves with glee that they can kill A Foreigner and probably get away with it.
    MAGAorMIGA and InkyP like this.
  12. racroesus

    racroesus Star commenter

    It was like Thermopylae: the main battle was won the next month.
    artboyusa likes this.
  13. George_Randle

    George_Randle Established commenter

    Or the fascists who have recently been demonstrating about Asia Bibi.
  14. artboyusa

    artboyusa Star commenter

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