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This is just what the country needs now - thanks, Labour.

Discussion in 'Personal' started by chelsea2, Sep 20, 2019.

  1. chelsea2

    chelsea2 Star commenter

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49776100

    Bid to oust Labour's deputy Tom Watson

    Deputy Labour leader Tom Watson has survived a move to oust him by abolishing his post.

    A fresh move will be made on Saturday at the party's conference and is expected to be successful.

    Friday's attempt was made at the party's National Executive Committee (NEC) meeting but it failed to get the two-thirds majority needed.

    It is understood that it was proposed by Jon Lansman, founder of Labour grassroots group Momentum.

    The campaign group was set up to support Jeremy Corbyn's leadership of the Labour Party.

    Mr Watson has been at odds with Mr Corbyn over Labour's stance on Brexit.

    He wants another public vote on the UK's membership of the EU before any general election, but Mr Corbyn has said an election should come first.

    The party leader has refused to say which side he might back in a future Brexit referendum under a Labour government.

    A Momentum source told the BBC: "We just can't afford to go into an election with a deputy leader set on wrecking Labour's chances.

    "Labour members overwhelmingly want a deputy leadership election, but our outdated rulebook won't let it happen."

    Neither Mr Corbyn or Mr Watson were at Friday's NEC meeting.

    A senior Labour source said: "Tom had given his apologies to the NEC... as he had to look after his children.

    "Usually when you disagree within parties on issues like taking a remain stance on Brexit, you have a debate. Seems that in Jeremy Corbyn's Labour Party they'd rather abolish you than debate with you."

    The NEC, Labour's governing body, will vote again on abolishing Mr Watson's post at the party's annual conference at 10:00 BST on Saturday.

    Sources told BBC political editor Laura Kuenssberg they expected the vote to be passed.

    There will then be a vote on the conference floor in the afternoon, where it is expected the bid will be approved, ousting Mr Watson.

    BBC political reporter Jessica Parker said Mr Watson's supporters were "not overly optimistic" that he will win Saturday's vote.

    Replying to @bbclaurak

    It’s also not impossible this could lead to some kind of challenge to Corbyn - perhaps even led by Watson - ‘hot phones’ and I ll bet a lot of people in Labour looking at potential numbers tonight ... Let’s see but possible our politics about to get even more turbulent

    End of Twitter post by @bbclaurak

    Labour MP Wes Streeting said in a Twitter post the push to oust Mr Watson "isn't just outrageous, it's self destructive".

    "Labour Conference this week needs to put the Party on a general election footing - talking to the country about our vision for Britain," he wrote.


    ✔@wesstreeting

    Labour Conference this week needs to put the Party on a general election footing - talking to the country about our vision for Britain. For @jonlansman and @PeoplesMomentum to try and remove our Deputy Leader @tom_watson isn’t just outrageous, it’s self-destructive and must stop.

    End of Twitter post by @wesstreeting

    Labour MP Jess Phillips tweeted: "Wish that we could just stop pretending & say what we think... There's a desperate attempt to control & expel anyone who has an independent thought.

    "I'm so sick of pretending just say you hate Tom Watson just be honest."

    And former Labour leader Ed Miliband tweeted that those who had come up with the idea to abolish the deputy leader post had "taken leave of their senses".
     
  2. Jude Fawley

    Jude Fawley Star commenter

    Labour implodes. How not to run a political party. How not to look credible. How to alienate your supporters.

    It's the race to the bottom. They're trying to outdo Boris Johnson.

    I knew this would happen as every MP scuttles around trying to save their skin. "I'll run an organisation to oust antisemitism from our society. That's where I'll hide". "I'll stand for Speaker of the House Of Commons. My constituents aren't too keen on me now so that's where I'll hide". "I'll take my pension and clear off and hope people forget about me". "I'll hide under the skirts of another political party".

    There is no hiding place from accountability.

    Drain the swamp!
     
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  3. blue451

    blue451 Lead commenter

    Watson has consistently undermined Corbyn and I think his presence is divisive.
    If the members decide he does not represent them, who am I to criticise?

    It's good to have a range of opinions within a party, but there seem to be those within labour who would prefer to see labour lose than corbyn win. That's not healthy.
     
  4. lanokia

    lanokia Star commenter

    Internal division and squabbling... that'll win them an election no trouble...

    Then again Watson backed up the pedo fantasist so... no time for him.
     
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  5. anotherauntsally

    anotherauntsally Lead commenter

    It won’t be the members, though, just those at the conference. Watson seems more in tune with the membership than Corbyn. Seemingly the majority of members support Remain. Corbyn has maybe been persuaded to grudgingly favour another referendum but not until after an election - which Labour’s unlikely to win, anyway, so pretty frustrating for the membership, not to mention his fence-sitting re which position to support. It’s his action/inaction that’s divisive. He’s the most unpopular opposition leader in the last 45 years with the country as a whole. If we have an election in the near future, it won’t help Labour’s chances if Momentum seems to be calling the shots.

    The survey by Ipsos MORI for the Evening Standard gave the Labour leader a net satisfaction rating of -60, with just 16% of voters pleased with him and 76% unhappy.​

    That means Mr Corbyn is even more unpopular than former Labour boss Michael Foot, who had an approval score of -56 in 1982, the year before he was routed by Margaret Thatcher in a general election.
    https://www.politicshome.com/news/u...rbyn/news/106687/jeremy-corbyn-most-unpopular
     
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  6. peakster

    peakster Star commenter

    Corbyn is hopeless - if Labour persist with them they will be hammered in any subsequent election.
     
  7. blue451

    blue451 Lead commenter

    Corbyn is not hopeless. That's a belief created by the media and those who stand to lose from policies based on social justice.

    Corbyn's policies are popular with huge numbers of people, but they're the kind of policies and ideas which won't be screened on your news channels.

    With the Tories pushing hard for no deal, and the LibDems now taking a Revoke position, Corbyn is the only leader who is insisting that the people will have the final say. For that he's accused of sitting on the fence.

    You believe what you want. The media is capable of manipulating public opinion and it's very visible here. Fortunately, the young are more cynical and more discerning about the propaganda they see.
     
  8. florian gassmann

    florian gassmann Star commenter

    In what way has the media manipulated the results of the Ipsos Mori poll that produced this sorry result of how people view Jeremy Corbyn?
     
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  9. LondonCanary

    LondonCanary Lead commenter

    He's is hopeless as a leader. Fine speaking behind a megaphone at a rally.
    Not really his. It's party policy led by McDonnell who is far more capable and able to face the press. McDonnell and RBL cover for Corbyn all the time.
     
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  10. lanokia

    lanokia Star commenter

    You accidentally wrote "not" in that sentence.

    Just letting you know... we all make mistakes. ;)
     
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  11. artboyusa

    artboyusa Lead commenter

    "Fortunately, the young are more cynical and more discerning about the propaganda they see..." I have not observed that. I have observed an exceptional degree of herd mentality and a credulity which leaves them wide open to manipulation by cynical actors.
     
  12. lanokia

    lanokia Star commenter

    So Swinson had near universal positive coverage from the LD conference and gets a bounce in the polls putting them ahead of Labour (time will tell if that lasts)

    Corbyn has his allies trying to depose his deputy... yeah doubt you'll be seeing a bounce Jezza
     
  13. peter12171

    peter12171 Star commenter

    Of course, it’s only the Tories that are split...:rolleyes:
     
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  14. foxtail3

    foxtail3 Star commenter

    Corbyn is hopeless. Boris is hopeless. No surprises.
     
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  15. anotherauntsally

    anotherauntsally Lead commenter

    He wants the public to have a say only after an election which he would have to win first. If he really wanted the people have the final say, he would be supporting the Labour for a Public Vote campaign. He would not be tying the prospect of a referendum to an election in the hope that it will bring in more votes for Labour.
     
  16. lunarita

    lunarita Established commenter

    In order to stop this motion, Corbyn promised a review of the of position Dep Leader, after which the motion was withdrawn.
    He probably won't get much credit for it though.
     
  17. oldsomeman

    oldsomeman Star commenter

    Who would take over if there was no deputy?
    Watson is far more outspoken but the policies he and Macdonald he has spoken as desiring seem to be way out for an election manifesto unless you really believe a return to older Socialist views and messages will stir the masses.
     
  18. schoolsout4summer

    schoolsout4summer Star commenter

  19. ilovesooty

    ilovesooty Star commenter

    It's McDonnell
     
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  20. ilovesooty

    ilovesooty Star commenter

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