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Things getting even worse

Discussion in 'Workplace dilemmas' started by DaisysLot, Jan 7, 2012.

  1. DaisysLot

    DaisysLot Senior commenter

    I am so sorry to hear you are having a troubled time just now..... I would advise you to put your health first and move away from anything that compromises that. Legally the school are right in that if you are 'signed off' work, then that is *all* work, even your private tutoring.
  2. groovy15

    groovy15 New commenter

    Thanks for the advice I would have to investigate further but my GP said I should carry on ith the private tutoring as it was helping my confidence. If I had known this would happen I would not have done it
  3. Torey

    Torey Occasional commenter

    No that isn't the legal position and her GP agreed that it was ok.

  4. DaisysLot

    DaisysLot Senior commenter

    I see what you are saying Torey, but if they take that stance then the school will argue that as it is clearly the employment at the school causing an issue then it will call into question their fitness to teach....
  5. Torey

    Torey Occasional commenter

    I totally agree with that and if they have already started informal capability, then I think the best option now is to look at an exit strategy.
  6. groovy15

    groovy15 New commenter

    I have decided that I want to leave but my union is guiding me. I would opt for redundancy if it comes up TBH. I know I'm not the only member of staff in this position and there are a lot of members of staff who have been signed off. I'm not going to let the bullies win though- why should I make it easy for them!
  7. Torey

    Torey Occasional commenter

    If it is at the point that you nearly overdosed take a compromise agreement and get out.
    However, if you are financially secure and don't need this job (or a reference that is much use to you) by all means go down the grievance route and then to an employment tribunal. Then you can accept all that will be thrown at you knowing that it doesn't matter.

  8. groovy15

    groovy15 New commenter

    Thank you for the advice. I am going to firstly see the doctor for a letter about the situation and then put in a grievance with help from the Union. I know I have good support and I will see what happens with the advice I am given. This sort of thing has happened before with other teachers who suffered from depression at that school with the head. School made no effort to help me with my illness and OHU made suggestions and were told by email (so I have evidence) to take that out of the report. It's unbelievable!
  9. Torey

    Torey Occasional commenter

    Did you declare your depression on the OH form when you started at the school as that makes a huge difference to your chance of success. Be aware the most likely response from school will be to put you on formal capability. This will either be because of your teaching, especially as you are on the informal stage, or start proceedings to move to dismiss you for ill health. If other teachers have experienced the same it is unlikely to be solved by a grievance and so you will likely have to go to a tribunal. It sounds like you don't need another teaching job because of your tutoring as I would imagine a reference with formal capability on will make it difficult. Will any of the other teachers not currently at school support you? I really do hope it works out for you and you can cope with all that will be thrown at you.
  10. groovy15

    groovy15 New commenter

    Thanks Torey,
    I am ready for whatever they throw at me. School knew about my depression from the moment I started 10 years ago and I had it under control until I had some misfortune in my life not long ago. I have received satisfactory in my teaching, this is why the union are concerned as they know how the department has been bullying me as I kept a diary and it is members of the department who have observed me despite asking to be observed by someone else!
    I am ready for whatever they throw at me. The union are helping me and I have been recommended a good solicitor if I need it as I know other people who have been through the same. I am sure other teachers will support me as they are aware of the situation and know what the department are like. I know it will be a hard slog but I've got to do something!

  11. chocolateworshipper

    chocolateworshipper Occasional commenter

    I don't really have any advice as such, but just wanted to wish you the very best of luck.
  12. Torey

    Torey Occasional commenter

    Check your home insurance as they could cover all the legal fees. Whilst my union were supportive my solicitor did all the paperwork including the grievance. They were leaders in the field and it showed. As your school were aware and failed to make RA you are in a strong position and rather than going down the bullying route you should be looking at disability discrimination. There is no upper limit for compensation in those cases. Get specialist advice ASAP as unions aren't as aware of this. It is a hard fight but despite that I'm glad I did it and as long as you are aware it will get nasty and can cope with that then you should be fine.
  13. I just wanted to say take care and keep making notes. Also if you find their targets are gruelling and unachievable, flag it up straight away. Don't let yourself get exhausted. Take time out if you need to because your health is too important.
  14. DaisysLot

    DaisysLot Senior commenter

    Best of luck with whatever strategy you decide on. Put your health first and remember that diary keeping, tribunals, unions and solicitors are not the central purpose of your life.... once over... Go live :)
  15. groovy15

    groovy15 New commenter

    Thank you for all your great advice. Yesterday I received a letter from the school to say it was 'A breach of contract'. I have a GP letter to say that the private tuition is helping me mentally and my Union are backing me. I also read through my contract and nothing is mentioned about doing private tuition and all it says about sick pay is the standard information I was provided with from the start! I know I have to leave the school now. My husband was shocked when he read through my grievance and he siad I should have submitted one ages ago. I feel so down but i need to pick myself up and not let school win.
  16. Gardening Leaves

    Gardening Leaves New commenter

    Try not to feel to threatened by the letter. Schools/employers write all kinds of things which are not, necessarily, true. As others have rightly said, you may not be in breach of contract if you have been doing other work outside f your contract: the fact that you can manage to do one thing at home, does not mean that you could return to school to do it. Your employer is 'trying it on' and hoping you don't have good legal support!
    One piece of advice that I was given by my psychologist and to which I still adhere, to this day, is not to open any correspondence which I know will be from my old school or employer. It's easy to tell from the postmark! Save them for your husband to open and pass the contents onto you himself. It's strange: this is such a 'little' thing, but it really helps to cut the fear and panic whenever another letter arrives.
  17. Dragonlady30

    Dragonlady30 Star commenter

    Can I add to this excellent advice?
    Often, important letters are posted on a Friday so that they reach their destination on a Saturday, when you can do absolutely nothing about them until the Monday. This causes horrendous added stress over the weekend. I wonder if this is the intention? (No prizes for the answer!!)
    If a letter arrives on a Saturday and, as said above, it's obvious, just leave the letter out of sight until the Monday, or ask your significant other to collect the post on Saturday and, if there's one of these letters, just hide it!
  18. Funny you should mention this! To cut a long story short, I was off sick for a few months in my previous job last year. At the weekend before I was due to return to work, I received a letter in the post saying that I (along with other members of staff) were at risk of being made redundant (luckily, I already knew that all this was going on because one of my senior colleagues mentioned it before I went off sick). In my return to work meeting, I casually asked the Head of HR why we all got the letters on a Saturday (including my Line Manager who said the same thing), as it was a strange day to get it and she said it was so that we wouldn't get emotional at work (i.e. have time to calm down). Cue my cynical thought process which said that no, it means that when the s**t hits the fan (i.e. we all get angry or upset over it), our nearest and dearest will have to shovel it instead of you, so possible comeback from us (e.g. strike action or ranting at managers) will be avoided. Cowards!

    It seems that I'm not as cynical as I thought as this idea also occurred to someone else.

    Great idea for dealing with it, btw!

    Sorry for hijacking the thread! 'Managers' can be right b*******s when dealing with staff! I really hope that things get better for you soon!
  19. thequillguy

    thequillguy New commenter

    If someone feels like they have to overdose themselves, they really need to get out of their job ASAP. Nothing's worth feeling trapped like that. Not even having a mortgage/car and the rest. Great advice elsewhere in this thread in the meantime.
    0805614 likes this.

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