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The Trump Impeachment Trial in Senate

Discussion in 'Personal' started by MAGAorMIGA, Jan 17, 2020.

  1. MAGAorMIGA

    MAGAorMIGA Star commenter

    It's begun. One hundred Senators have taken the oath: "that in all things appertaining to the trial of the impeachment of Donald John Trump, president of the United States, now pending, I will do impartial justice according to the Constitution and laws, so help me God."

    Each and every one of the Republican Senators who took that oath should be on trial for perjury, because they have already in advance indicated that they will find Trump innocent come what may, including Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell.
     
  2. peakster

    peakster Star commenter

    Totally pointless exercise.
     
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  3. artboyusa

    artboyusa Star commenter

    I'm really loath to feed into yet another thread of boring Trump p orn but I'll point out that Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders are senators and took the same oath even though they're running against Trump for president. So unless they recuse themselves, would you like them indicted too?

    Oh, and if you thought the timing of this sham was designed by the Dems to help Joe Biden out by keeping Bernie and Fauxcahontas stuck in the Senate and off the campaign trail during the three weeks leading up to the Iowa Caucuses, you'd be right and you've just won a souvenir gold impeachment pen with Nancy Pelosi's name on it.
     
  4. MAGAorMIGA

    MAGAorMIGA Star commenter

    A sham? This President has blatantly tried to subvert US foreign policy for the purpose of his own re-election, has conspired with foreign agents to investigate US citizens. He looks guilty from here!
     
  5. Morninglover

    Morninglover Star commenter


    So don't you think Trump's actions with regards to the Ukraine are actually worthy of Impeachment? Or is Trump above the law, as far as you are concerned/
     
  6. moscowbore

    moscowbore Star commenter

    Totally agree that all concerned should be found guilty of perjury or at least in contempt of court.

    They are all breaking an oath.
     
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  7. moscowbore

    moscowbore Star commenter

    My understanding is that a sitting president cannot be arrested or face trial on criminal charges. The constitution only allows for a president to be impeached and then removed from office. The impeachment process requires a senate "trial" where two thirds of the senate need to find him guilty. Senators will take an oath to vote on the evidence and every one of them will break that oath and vote along party lines. Trump's guilt or innocence will not matter one jot.
     
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  8. artboyusa

    artboyusa Star commenter

    Now there's a surprise.
    And you didn't answer my question. Bernie and Liz took that oath too. Can they be impartial jurors?
     
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  9. artboyusa

    artboyusa Star commenter

    Tell me what law he broke and I'll let you know.
     
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  10. MAGAorMIGA

    MAGAorMIGA Star commenter

    Patrick Leahy, Senator for Vermont, made it very clear why Trump is on trial. It's neither a farce nor a witch hunt. There is a very real case to answer:

    Congress, not the president, controls the “power of the purse.” James Madison argued that this was “the most complete and effectual weapon” to counter “all the overgrown prerogatives of the other branches.” The nation’s founders enshrined their vision in Article 1, Section 9 of the Constitution, establishing that Congress alone possesses the power of the purse. The president can propose funding for whatever projects he wants, but Congress ultimately decides where to direct the American people’s tax dollars.

    Nearly 200 years later, in 1974, Congress overwhelmingly enacted the Impoundment Control Act (ICA) in response to President Richard M. Nixon’s overreach into Congress’s appropriations power. The ICA grants presidents limited ability to cut or delay any spending appropriated by Congress. If presidents wish not to spend appropriated money, they must seek and obtain Congress’s approval. Even a delay in spending requires notice to Congress.

    On Thursday, the nonpartisan Government Accountability Office concluded that, because the “Constitution grants the President no unilateral authority to withhold funds,” the administration “violated the ICA.” The GAO further found that the administration’s excuses for the president’s actions “have no basis in law.”

    A violation of a law, by itself, is not necessarily sufficient to warrant impeachment and removal from office. The “high crimes and misdemeanors” required by the Constitution refer instead to misdeeds in high office — a “violation of some public trust,” according to Alexander Hamilton — which need not be criminal. It is now the Senate’s responsibility to decide whether the president abused the powers of his office for personal gain when he withheld congressionally appropriated funds from an ally in violation of the Impoundment Control Act.

    In fiscal 2019, Congress appropriated $250 million in military assistance for Ukraine, a U.S. ally, through the Defense Department, and Trump signed that assistance into law. Russian-backed forces invaded Ukraine in 2014, forcibly annexing Crimea. Approximately 13,000 people have since been killed, and more than 1.5 million displaced.

    The Pentagon strongly supported the military assistance and certified last spring that Ukraine had implemented anti-corruption measures required by Congress as a condition of the aid. But the president secretly froze the aid two months later, over warnings from Defense Department officials that doing so risked violating the ICA, while the president and his associates pressed Ukraine to launch baseless investigations that would help him politically. The president released the aid in September — after he got caught.

    In my 43 years on the Senate Appropriations Committee, where I now serve as vice chairman, I have never seen anything like it.

    Senior White House aides, such as budget official Michael Duffey and acting White House chief of staff Mick Mulvaney, could tell us exactly what happened, but Trump directed them not to testify before the House. The Senate must insist on hearing from these and other key witnesses.

    If Trump disagreed with Congress’s appropriation, he could have vetoed the bill. He did not. Thereafter, he could have proposed a “rescission” to block the aid under the ICA, which requires congressional approval. He did not. Or, with congressional notification, he could have deferred the funds — but only for specific reasons under the Impoundment Control Act that the GAO found did not apply. He did not attempt this either. As the GAO opinion makes clear, the president chose a fourth option, one that violated the law.
     
  11. burajda

    burajda Star commenter

    I'm sure partisan politics will outweigh objective analysis of the evidence presented.
     
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  12. peakster

    peakster Star commenter

    The Republican senators are no better than Trump is.

    Hopefully a few of them will be kicked out of office in due course.

    What a sham of a political system.
     
  13. artboyusa

    artboyusa Star commenter

    Is it a worse sham than a system that wastes 3.5 years and billions of pounds in failing to overturn the outcome of a democratic referendum?
     
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  14. artboyusa

    artboyusa Star commenter

    Not really interested in what some Dem swamp dweller says. Interested, though, in an answer to my question: Bernie and Liz (and you can throw in Pat Leahy, after that statement) - can they be impartial jurors or not? Should they be in the dock with all those GOP senators you want charged with perjury?
     
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  15. Spoofer4114

    Spoofer4114 Established commenter

  16. MAGAorMIGA

    MAGAorMIGA Star commenter

    You asked what law Trump broke. Patrick Leahy (who you dismiss as a "swamp dweller") tells you - the Impoundment Control Act.
    As for your question, I would hope all Senators would follow their oath and be impartial.
     
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  17. peakster

    peakster Star commenter

    Don't be silly ...we all know what will happen.

    Hopefully the oaf won't be re-elected, but I wouldn't put any money on it not happening.
     
  18. Aquamarina1234

    Aquamarina1234 Star commenter

    Friday's Real Time With Bill Maher has a lot of laughs regarding Impeachment!
     
  19. lanokia

    lanokia Star commenter

    Which Dem candidate do you think has the best chance against him?
     
  20. peakster

    peakster Star commenter

    Sadly - none of them
     

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