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The TES and toleration of an atmosphere in which hate crimes flourish

Discussion in 'Personal' started by Andy_91, Oct 22, 2019.

  1. Andy_91

    Andy_91 New commenter

    Anti-trans hate crimes have risen by 37% in the last year. There is a constant stream of misleading, sometimes serious, sometimes petty anti-trans stories in the Times, the Guardian, the Telegraph, the New Statesman and Spectator inter alia. Mumsnet in particular is a nest of anti-trans obsessives.

    The TES contributes to this atmosphere of hostility. Today, there is a thread about the branding of sanitary products. There have been many before, some of which are pulled, others not. The rationale for not pulling this might be that it's a trivial point, that it is commonsense that things should stay as they are, or that one should freely be able to express one's opinion.

    However the drip-drip attacks and ridiculing of transgender men and women has a cumulative affect which normalises ridicule and hate. While I appreciate the difficulties in monitoring all the forums, and that keeping an eye out for libels etc is a priority, these posts shouldn't have a platform here.

    For the rise in hate crimes:

    https://www.pinknews.co.uk/2019/10/15/anti-transgender-hate-crimes-surge-home-office-data/
     
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  2. Doitforfree

    Doitforfree Star commenter

    Hate crimes have increased because the whole idea is new and people are caling more and more things hate crimes which were previously just 'crimes'. I have seen no evidence that the number of crimes has increased, only that they have been branded in a new way.

    The thread about sanitary products might not be to your taste, but people are expresssing their opinion. Is that now deemed 'hate' if you disagree with it?
     
  3. alex_teccy

    alex_teccy Established commenter

    It sounds as if you simply do not like peoples freedom of opinion on speech. Threads should not be censored because you have decided to brand them as "hate" speech, a concept in itself that is debatable.
    You are misapplying a the label anti-trans to people who do not agree with your opinion of what constitutes a trans person.
    You say that trans hate has increased, presumably part of this is to do with a response to an extremist assault on the rights of women to their own definition.
    For example plod investigating the "hate" crime in Oxford where someone post stickers saying

    “Woman: noun. Adult human female”

    And:

    “Women don’t have penises”

    By this definition, you are open to the accusation of hate crime as you are violating the protected charactersitic of women. You are creating this atmosphere of hostility.
     
  4. Andy_91

    Andy_91 New commenter

    There is a difference between 'deemed "hate"' and contributing to the atmosphere of hostility.

    I do think your post is contributing to an atmosphere in which hate crimes flourish.
     
  5. Andy_91

    Andy_91 New commenter


    QED
     
  6. Andy_91

    Andy_91 New commenter

    OK. That's one view expressing the 'free-speech' point of view, and one virulently anti-trans. That pretty much covers the points I was making, so I'll you all to it now.

    Have a nice evening.
     
  7. alex_teccy

    alex_teccy Established commenter

    It's not QED, because you have demonstrated nothing at all, except your own authoritarianism.

    Behaviour co-evolves with species, which means that part of what it means to be a male or female is inherited behaviour. That's not anti-trans, it's demonstrable science. To claim otherwise is a violation of human rights.
     
  8. sbkrobson

    sbkrobson Star commenter

    OP-If you are unhappy about another thread you ought to respond on it-you write with enough clarity to put across any point you want,specifically replying to individual points made. As discussion happens.
    You can also report any posts to the mods which you think break Community forum rules.-maybe you've done that, I'm not asking.

    However, you have chosen to start a whole thread of your own, that threads like that other one should not be allowed; like some virtual equivalent of starting your own meeting to discuss how awful the meeting next door is.

    Many people have posted. Many different views are on there.Some of them ignorant.Some of the knowledgeable. Some of them scathing, some of them joking. You haven't replied to a single post. You've just said that "these posts" in that thread ought not to be there.

    Now-hang on. what is it you were saying about hostility?
     
  9. Dunteachin

    Dunteachin Star commenter

    The OP seems to be fanning the flames.

    To say hate crime is flourishing on TES is a bit strong. Possibly libellous?
     
  10. Doitforfree

    Doitforfree Star commenter

    There is a section of society who don't like debate because they know they are right and therefore any opinion which is different from theirs must be hateful. It's a childish and stampy foot position to take and stems, ultimately, from insecurity. The fear of debate is a fear of discovering that someone might persuade you that their opinion, which you don't like, might actually have some merit. So better to call it hate than consider it might be right.
     
  11. blazer

    blazer Star commenter

    Have you re-joined Andy? Missed your tilting at windmill style rants!:p
     
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  12. Kandahar

    Kandahar Established commenter

    I rather like the logo on his profile page! Very 'pop' art, and apt, given the time I brought down a certain NASUWT rep (who shall remain unnamed).
     
  13. Corvuscorax

    Corvuscorax Senior commenter

    do y ou understand what constitutes trans hate crime? saying a man can not become a woman can be classed as hate crime.. you can sacked, arrested, get your computer and phone taken off you indefinitely.

    Whether actual genuine hate crime ever happens at all is impossible to know, isn't it
     
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  14. Corvuscorax

    Corvuscorax Senior commenter

    exactly. Hundreds such stickers have been distributed. Each one has been reported as a hate crime.

    That's not a hate crime. Ask people who have actually been victims of hate crime. But legally, and for statistical purposes, saying ""woman" means adult human female" counts as a hate crime.

    Do you consider this to be a hate crime @Andy_91?
     
  15. Kandahar

    Kandahar Established commenter

    Correction, ATL - both now defunct of course. But I digress...on with the topic.
     
  16. alex_teccy

    alex_teccy Established commenter

    That's just it. These extremists don't need to debate, they just rely on the misuse of the law and peoples fear of complaints to silence those who they don't like.
    We need to look again at our ill-considered equalities legistlation and try to understand why our schools and universities have become madrasses for extreme lefty doctrine.
     
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  17. vannie

    vannie Star commenter

    Yes ... the words adult, human and female are literally violence. Literally. And a hate crime, obviously. How did we get here?
     
  18. lanokia

    lanokia Star commenter

    Both human and female have man and male forced inside them. What is it called when a man is forced in? Our species name endorses rape.


    Wonder if anyone will take me seriously.
     
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  19. Corvuscorax

    Corvuscorax Senior commenter

    has anyone been following the Yaniv case? Its been widely reported around the world. A Canadian transwoman ( with a penis) ran up hundreds of womens beauty parlours, who offered genital waxing to women, and asked to get their penis waxed. Any woman beauty therapist who didn't want to, or didn't know how to perform this service on a penis was taken to court.

    Yanev has lost on every single count, and has been ordered to pay compensation to every single person they sued.
     
  20. Corvuscorax

    Corvuscorax Senior commenter

    its all down to HIS story
     

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