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the secret language of bexiteers

Discussion in 'Personal' started by afterdark, Jan 28, 2019.

  1. afterdark

    afterdark Lead commenter

  2. sparklesparkle

    sparklesparkle Established commenter

    In what sense are the contents of this film interesting? The message is that Conservative politicians, up to and including recent US presidents, are racist and their voters are too thick to understand what's going on. They don't mention any problems on the left at all. The only interesting aspect is that a publicly-funded broadcaster, paid for by voters of all persuasions, is broadcasting this. Why do you think they are doing so?

    Where are the encoded triggers in, for example, attending a memorial ceremony for one of the Munich Olympics terrorists who murdered nine Israeli athletes? Oh no, wait, that message isn't encoded. It's as blatant as can be.

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  3. afterdark

    afterdark Lead commenter

    So the response to covert racism in the media output of the conservative party is to point at the opposition leader?

    Shows a lack of willingness to accept the reality of what was explained in the film.
  4. sparkleghirl

    sparkleghirl Star commenter

    We're manipulated by all kind of things, it's naïve to think politicians aren't doing it and just as naïve to think we are not susceptible to it. Denial.
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  5. SirPurrAlot

    SirPurrAlot Established commenter

    It’s as potent a force as paranoia.
  6. lanokia

    lanokia Star commenter

    The video mostly discusses US politics, it discusses Republicans and Democrats. It has one example from the UK, the Farage poster.

    Nothing about the conservative party [asserted in posts#2 and #3] and nothing about the wider 'Brexiteer' [wonderful term, the musketeers were my childhood heroes, I don't think people realise that it isn't a negative] community which the thread title tries to drag in.

    Then when another poster provides an example from UK politics [post #2] suddenly the message of the quite balanced BBC video is distorted... no we don't mean dogwhistling on our side, we only want to discuss it on their side.

    Basically another thread whose sole purpose is continue the fake narrative of ''People who voted Brexit are thick/racist/ugly" whatever...
  7. nomad

    nomad Star commenter

    And Cameron's speech including the words "The serried rows of white headstones in lovingly-tended Commonwealth war cemeteries stand as silent testament to the price this country has paid to help restore peace and order in Europe" wasn't a dog whistle?
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  8. nomad

    nomad Star commenter

    Last edited: Jan 31, 2019
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  9. sparklesparkle

    sparklesparkle Established commenter

    Absolutely, because the film only showed one side of the political divide.
    And your comment shows a lack of willingness to accept the reality of the other side.
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  10. afterdark

    afterdark Lead commenter

    That would be the racist side, would it not?

    How so? Other than the childish, accuse because has been pointed out something about your side; as you put it.
  11. sparklesparkle

    sparklesparkle Established commenter

    Speaking of "the racist side" this is from today's Times. Because people who are ideologically pure can't be racist, right?

    A Holocaust survivor has denounced the Labour Party as “one of Europe’s most blatant problem cases of political antisemitism”.

    Charlotte Knobloch, 86, a former head of the Central Council of Jews in Germany, said that under Jeremy Corbyn’s leadership the party had descended into a “moral twilight” where hatred of Jews flourished. Addressing a Holocaust memorial event in the European parliament, she cited Labour as “one of the most drastic examples” of the speed with which antisemitism could spread.
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  12. afterdark

    afterdark Lead commenter

    That standard british conflation of race and religion. You understand that re;ligion and race are different things don't you?
    They might be conflated under UK laws but they are distinctly different things.

    You might buy into the right wing media's false narrative of antisemitism in the Labour party but I am not a reader of Rupert Murdoch's drivel.

    So yet again the response about encoded racism is to point at the leader of the opposition?
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  13. sparklesparkle

    sparklesparkle Established commenter

    That standard 'writing before checking' thing does you no favours... In UK law Jews are both a religion and a race. So the Labour anti-Semitism described by Charlotte Knobloch is in fact racism.
    Are you actually suggesting that The Times made up Charlotte Knobloch's speech? They reported an article in Der Spiegel - is this also owned by Rupert Murdoch? How about the Jewish Chronicle?
    Absolutely. In Ms Knobloch's view as a Holocaust survivor, this is where some of 'the most drastic' anti-Semitism in Europe comes from. But I do take your point about encoded racism. The examples we've seen recently aren't encoded. They are very obvious indeed.
    Last edited: Feb 1, 2019
  14. T34

    T34 Lead commenter

    The term "dog whistle" is not correct for the examples in the video.
    Only the dog can hear the dog whistle, but in these examples all the information is accessible by everybody.There is no coded language that only certain people are capable of understanding.
    The examples show merely the passing of information in a slanted, perhaps unspoken or sly way, which is not the meaning of "dog whistle"
    Perhaps "whistling up the dogs" would be a better way of putting it, but you don't need a dog whistle to do that.
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  15. nomad

    nomad Star commenter

    In other words, the OP is a load of utter gonads.

    Fine! As I suspected.


    Let's move on...
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  16. afterdark

    afterdark Lead commenter

    Not in fact. Only true in the legal sense.
  17. sparklesparkle

    sparklesparkle Established commenter

    I wonder why you think it's a good idea to question who is and isn't Jewish. This is a very odd comment.

    And yes, Jews are a race "in fact". In Nazi Germany having one Jewish grandparent was enough to make you Jewish. It was enough to make you someone who should be eradicated in order to keep the Aryan race pure. In the UK in 2019 the fringes of a political movement are taking us back to the 1930s. I note that you won't address this and have twice referred to it as "pointing" at Jeremy Corbyn. The photo in post two shows why he needs to be pointed at, and his supporters do too.
  18. afterdark

    afterdark Lead commenter

    I was referring to the conflation of race and religion. A person can convert to Judaism so by definition being Jewish does not confer or indicate belonging to a particular race. You might use the Nazi definition of Jewish, I don't.
    Religion what you believe inside.
    Race the genetic blueprint of cells, achieved by genitic lottery and categorised by random phenotypes.

    Ethiopian Jews, for example, are clearly african by race.

  19. MAGAorMIGA

    MAGAorMIGA Star commenter

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  20. sparklesparkle

    sparklesparkle Established commenter

    Yes, what about Jeremy Corbyn's attendance at a terrorist memorial service?

    Are you going to answer the question? Or just copy and paste?

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