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The Scottish Education System - what's wrong with it ???

Discussion in 'Scotland - education news' started by gnulinux, May 17, 2015.

  1. gnulinux

    gnulinux Occasional commenter

    Last edited: Dec 28, 2019
  2. gnulinux

    gnulinux Occasional commenter

    'A test of fairness' ...

    'At a time when Scotland is trying to encourage a greater interest in areas such as STEM and languages, the reduction in subject choice for most pupils has led to a drop in take-up in these areas.The previous regime offered more scope for pupils to combine practical and academic options.

    The Scottish Parliament’s Education and Skills committee highlighted its concerns about the impact of the reduction in subject choice, noting in its report:

    “where the curriculum narrows to five or six subjects in S4, there can be challenges for learners who wish to undertake a broad suite of qualifications in traditional subject areas, such as mathematics, English, sciences, social sciences, arts and languages. The Committee considers that the opportunity to retain a breadth of learning throughout secondary school and to gain a broad set of qualifications are cornerstones of Scottish education which are in danger of being lost.

    ”The Committee also highlighted the confused thinking and lack of clarity behind the current situation:

    “Considered as a whole,the Committee has serious concerns that there is a lack of clarity within the Scottish education system about who has overall responsibility for curricular structure and subject availability in Scottish secondary schools under the Curriculum for Excellence. Empowerment of school leaders and decision-making at the individual school level has many positive attributes, but there can also be negative consequences, such as a lack of consistency and equity in provision between schools.”'
  3. moscowbore

    moscowbore Lead commenter

    I once had the local SQA manager rant at me about his son leaving school without ever having a computing lesson. This was in the Highlands 2 years ago.. Not only is there a reluctance in schools generally to offer STEM subjects due to their expensive nature, the teaching of s4,s5 and higher at the same time in the same room makes teaching to a good standard a near impossibility.
    if the Scottish government is taking education seriously, hire more teachers.
    bonxie, mathsmutt and sicilypat like this.
  4. bigjimmy2

    bigjimmy2 Established commenter

    It's just one of the many things that make education in this country incompetent.

    Question the government on hiring more teachers and they'll quote how many billions they spend on it already and how many billions more they've "given" over and above, ie a politician's answer.
    mathsmutt and sicilypat like this.
  5. aypi

    aypi Established commenter

    Education Scotland is distributing just under £2 million this financial year to support STEM, the money will be blown on fun STEM type activities and training.
    Not much bang for on the scale of it, not much buck.
    The money should go to buying resources for STEM subjects, and for producing high quality teaching resources.
  6. bigjimmy2

    bigjimmy2 Established commenter

    Wholeheartedly agree with you, aypi. Source the basics before anything else. Again, £2m divided by the number of (presumably) secondary amounts to a Bunsen burner per school.
    bonxie, mathsmutt and sicilypat like this.
  7. moscowbore

    moscowbore Lead commenter

    2 million is peanuts. My recent experience was in the highlands. There very few computing teachers and no stem equipment like robotics kits or anyone to teach robotics.
    Like I said earlier, if wee Nicky et al are serious about stem they need to spend serious money, train stem specialists and eradicate the teaching of s4,s5, and higher in the same room. Otherwise they are just being pointless politicians spewing sound bites for the masses.
    Alice K, bonxie and bigjimmy2 like this.
  8. gnulinux

    gnulinux Occasional commenter

    Scottish Government forced to admit ‘key weaknesses’ in country’s education structure


    The Scottish Education system is clearly in a much degraded state from say 10 years ago; meanwhile the SNP try to deny responsibility.

    Green MSP Ross Greer said:
    “The SNP’s response has been to stick their heads in the sand, claiming all is fine.

    “They’ve gone as far as not bringing a single education debate to Parliament for over two years. The result of this rare opposition debate shows that we will not stand for it though.

    “Teacher numbers are 2,852 below what they were when the SNP came to government, subject choice has clearly narrowed and the two government agencies responsible seem unable to even speaking to each other.
    will_osweighton and Alice K like this.
  9. bigjimmy2

    bigjimmy2 Established commenter

    Gnu-face, still, after all these years posting on this forum, you have nothing to say for yourself?
  10. gnulinux

    gnulinux Occasional commenter

    'Sturgeon bows to MSPs' demand for full review of Scottish education system'

    About time too!!! Judgement day???

    Opposition MSP's demand review. Swinney says no! Then says he will think about it. Finally Sturgeon overrules him to say ok, but only after her SNP robots had opposed the demand for a review.

  11. gnulinux

    gnulinux Occasional commenter


    " ... Far from widening participation, the Scottish government’s no-tuition-fees policy, and continual disinvestment, has created a two-tier system that treats Scottish students as second-class citizens, and actively penalises Scottish universities for recruiting Scottish students. ..."
  12. gnulinux

    gnulinux Occasional commenter

  13. moscowbore

    moscowbore Lead commenter

    Swinney must be seeing his life flash before his eyes. The true nature and extent of his bare faced lies will now be laid before the public. The cfe will be damned publicly for the waste of time and effort it has been. And the cfe-disaster deniers will be rightly vilified.
    Alice K likes this.
  14. MilkyBar Kid

    MilkyBar Kid Occasional commenter

    Is it? The last review in 2015 by the OECD was so woolly in its recommendations that it wasn't worth the paper it was written on. Swinney is no mug, he is hoping for the same again this time round. Will it tackle bi-level delivery of courses, minimum number of subject choices, behaviour, ASL support? Probably not, instead it will spout out the usual need for "stimulating learning environments" whatever that means.
  15. Effinbankers

    Effinbankers Lead commenter

    Not having a go at you MBK, but I think we need to move away from the "bi-level" mantra.

    It is not assessing two different levels of the same course (as Standard Grade did); it is teaching two different courses in the same room. In fact I know of some teachers who have N4 through to AH in the same room and there is an expectation of raising attainment. Go back a decade - would you have had SG and Higher in the same room? Of course not. The current position is utterly bonkers.

    Trade unions have known about it for years and have done diddly squat - the EIS campaign for class sizes of 20 is a nice idea, but they should be tackling this immediately. But then again Mr Flanagan is one of the architects/facilitators of CFE so therein lies the problem.
    sicilypat and catmother like this.
  16. Dominieredivivus

    Dominieredivivus New commenter

    Please evidence your statement re Larry Flanagan's DrE role? I'll be kind and suggest you may be confusing him with a former EIS activist who "went gamekeeper."

    The fact is that both major unions waged a largely unsuccessful campaign re CfE. Largely? There was some success in having the.programme delayed and some increase in resources and other minor changes. Major changes were never countenanced because :

    1. SNP had too much political capital invested. Major changes would have been seized upon by their opponents as a humiliating defeat. Rightly so.

    2. The management board (other than EIS and SSTA reps) consisted of people who, in the main, were non classroom teacher jobsworths.

    3. The impact of the reform has been most significant in secondary where union membership is divided. Compare the history of CfE with that of compulsory testing of pupils in primary which is.dominated by the EIS.

    4. Far too many teachers saw CfE as an opportunity for personal advancement. Many would have sworn black was white if it got them a promoted post. It was also easy to portray doubters as reactionaries rather than cautious progressives.
    Gavster77 and Alice K like this.
  17. Effinbankers

    Effinbankers Lead commenter

    Go and watch his performances in front of the Education Committee at Holyrood. He was in it at the start - he brokered it so that the government (Lab/Lib initially and then SNP) wouldn't get much resistance from this wonderful new curriculum from those in the staffroom

    Time he retired

    Teachers being in different unions has nothing really to do with CFE and it's success or failure.

    Regardless of who you pay your subs to, there is a unified approach in secondary that CFE has increased workload on a multitude of levels, added in another two term dash in S4, effed up a functioning exam system and brought in utterly pathetic assignments which serve eff all purpose apart from giving teachers more work and kids more stress.
    sicilypat and Alice K like this.
  18. inthered

    inthered Occasional commenter

    I long for the days of a 2-term dash. With the extra assignment SQA foisted on is in their huff at having unit assessments taken away, we’re down to 1 term in S4 and S5 now. It’s a big, fat joke. No wonder the higher kids are doing worse. They barely get taught between the end of S3 and the exams.
  19. gnulinux

    gnulinux Occasional commenter

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