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The Queen's Speech

Discussion in 'Personal' started by monicabilongame, Oct 14, 2019.

  1. monicabilongame

    monicabilongame Star commenter

    This from the Mirror

    Buckingham Palace demanded a copy of Boris Johnson's Queen's Speech a week early after trust hit "rock bottom".

    The rare request from the Queen's senior courtiers reportedly sparked a cabinet crisis.

    It comes amid growing fears Her Majesty has been dragged into political rows over Brexit .

    It is thought the demand was an attempt to stop any last-minute changes to the speech that could potentially embarrass the Queen.

    Monday's address, which comes with the state opening of parliament, will be Elizabeth II's 65th Queen's Speech.

    She's expected to outline 22 bills - chief among which is the Withdrawal Agreement Bill, to be voted on if Mr Johnson secures a Brexit deal with the EU this week.

    The palace's demands for early copy of the speech left government departments in chaos as they rushed to get the wording ready.

    One Cabinet source told The Sun : “Number 10 is pretty worried they’ve hit rock bottom with the palace so they wanted to get the speech in early.

    “That left quite a lot of departments upset and in a flap, as a few things weren’t ready. It’s all been pretty messy and frantic.”

    Buckingham Palace is thought to be furious that the Queen has been dragged into the Brexit mess in recent months.

    And this from the Guardian:

    The government’s Queen’s speech briefing pack (pdf), in the section on the EU (withdrawal agreement) bill, says one of the main benefits of the bill would be ensuring the UK leaves the EU with a deal on 31 October.

    But it is worth noting that the Queen herself, in her speech, did not commit to hitting the 31 October deadline. She just said:

    My government’s priority has always been to secure the United Kingdom’s departure from the European Union on 31 October.

    The Queen’s speech is drafted by the government, but the palace is consulted and presumably the Queen’s aides would have been unhappy about her stating as fact that the UK would be leaving on 31 October when at the moment that is only an aspiration. She is more scrupulous about sticking to what’s true than her prime minister.
  2. Jamvic

    Jamvic Star commenter

    Currently that is probably applicable to the vast majority of the population. :D

    It’ll have been the whole goatskin paper problem again like in 2017.


    Although I do find that interesting as a general piece of random info.

    The Queen's Speech is written on so-called "goatskin paper" which is not actually made from goats, but which is of extremely high quality and designed to last for 500 years. The UK does still print its laws on vellum - made from calfskin - as it has done for centuries. Copies of Magna Carta, written on vellum in 1215, are still around today.
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  3. Duke of York

    Duke of York Star commenter

    Also this: https://www.theguardian.com/politic...ok-like-panorama-readers-on-the-queens-speech

    ‘They are using the Queen as a tool for their propaganda’
    This certainly is weird – a party that does not have a majority, whose leader has not won an election, at a point where there is very likely going to be another constitutional, and there’s a Queen’s Speech, as if nothing unusual was going on? The Tories are seriously taking the p*ss out of the monarchy. They are using her. There’s no other way of describing it. Using the Queen as a tool for their propaganda. I hope she does something to upset their arrogance and complacency, like wearing an EU badge or blue and yellow shoes.
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  4. Doitforfree

    Doitforfree Star commenter

    She should have 'accidentally' spilt her gladd of water over the page and then said something completely different and claimed that was what the smudges looked like. Missed opportunity or what?
  5. florian gassmann

    florian gassmann Star commenter

    The Queen is in favour of Brexit according to several sources (including the saintly Laura Kuenssberg).
  6. monicabilongame

    monicabilongame Star commenter

  7. FrankWolley

    FrankWolley Star commenter

    From 1964 - nothing changes!

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  8. colpee

    colpee Star commenter

    One mustn’t be too believing of the palace propaganda machine. The queen is a canny operator and I doubt she gets ‘dragged’ by anyone. More likely she fell in with some scheme her private secretary put to her that has unravelled. What we see and hear now is a scramble to regain some credibility.
  9. gainly

    gainly Lead commenter

    I thought this was the title for a follow up movie.

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  10. monicabilongame

    monicabilongame Star commenter

  11. Duke of York

    Duke of York Star commenter

    Maybe we'll learn what the truth of that is in her Christmas speech.

    If she describes this year as being another she had to suffer an annus horribilis whilst deliberately forgetting that annus has two Ns, we might get a better idea of whether she shares our thoughts about the current PM.

    In all sincerity, what do we actually know about what the Queen actually thinks? How many times has she wondered whether a slip of the hand on the sword she has to knight people with and their subsequent beheading would be taken by the courts for the accident it was?

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