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The problem with teaching...........

Discussion in 'Personal' started by BelleDuJour, Oct 19, 2017.

  1. needabreak

    needabreak Star commenter

    Tech and globalisation has taught workers everywhere one thing... they have options. Employers will take note at some point, question is when... probably when it's too late and the damage is done, but like everyone eventually they get what they deserve.

    People matter and well run organisations recognise this.
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  2. secretsiren

    secretsiren Star commenter

    People don't matter in teaching, I don't think. Look at how teachers are treated by the government, general public, right-wing media and their own management teams, Denigration, more 'schools have to do this/have to tackle this', endemic bullying of expensive teachers, work-related stress, people leaving teaching in their droves due to excessive workload which could easily be brought into more manageable realms by forward-thinking, non-Ofsted-driven managers...in my experience, teachers matter less than the buildings in which they teach. If I reported a broken toilet door in my school, it would get fixed. If I complain that I haven't seen my own kids in a week due to poor calendar planning and lots of after-school things in a row, I'm not a team player and I'm struggling to cope so maybe she needs a support plan. Hurrumph.
  3. needabreak

    needabreak Star commenter

    Indeed but ultimately people matter in the world else what's the point?

    I heard a woman on the radio this afternoon justifying higher numbers of private educated students attending Oxbridge. The woman claimed they worked for it and deserved it since their state school counterparts were socialising not studying on Saturdays. Now this may be true to some extent, but I recalled my own teenage years... working on Saturdays to avoid asking parents for money as mortgage interest rates were through the roof and things very tight at home... the woman had simply no idea of what efforts state sector educated students make. It reminded
    me that everyone (bar none), goes to great lengths to justify their own situation from their own perspective.
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  4. racroesus

    racroesus Star commenter

    Brian is wetly blowing his way over. Reminds me of his namesake, my big brother.
    Glad you escaped.
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  5. schoolsout4summer

    schoolsout4summer Lead commenter

    Yesterday I was talking to a Primary teacher who has just returned to teaching in the UK after 2 years teaching in Hong Kong and before that somewhere in the Arab world. They told me that in foreign schools if the pupil fails then it's the pupil's fault, not the teachers. They said that teachers are respected, like doctors are here. Apparently the pay is much better, the workloads lighter and there is a lot less stress. Pointless bureaucracy didn't exist.
    They have only done half a term in England and now they are looking to get out - to China.
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  6. BelleDuJour

    BelleDuJour Star commenter

    Says it all really.....

    *Looks for passport*
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  7. rosievoice

    rosievoice Star commenter

    Depressing, isn't it?:(
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  8. BelleDuJour

    BelleDuJour Star commenter

    Totally :(
    What's more is I'm a bl00dy good teacher. Every school I've worked in I've got results above predicted grades. But I'd 'fail' OFSTED if they popped in. Why? Because I don't follow the programme. I don't believe in LO, starters, plenaries, WWW, EBI, student led learning, group work. No......it's all c r a p. My lessons are fluid. They change according to the needs and inquisitive nature of my students. I believe in verbal feedback because we can have a dialogue....but it's almost impossible to 'evidence' so I'm not doing my job 'properly'.
    Hate, hate, HATE this.
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  9. Duke of York

    Duke of York Star commenter

    The most depressing thing I can see about it is the lack of willingness among teachers to do something about the problem.

    It seems to me that there are very few teachers who are actually as committed to the job as they claim, or they'd organise themselves into a powerful body to fight whatever nonsense they keep being given.

    Or they'd have the self-respect to tell the HT to lick 'em and stamp 'em, a euphemism from previous days when NI contributions were recorded via stamps on employment cards. Lick 'em and stamp 'em was a way of telling an employer to poke his job up his arrse.
  10. Norsemaid

    Norsemaid Senior commenter

    Thank you @Lara mfl 05 for your kind words and apologies for not replying before now .
    The thing is what else would I do , where else would I go ?
    We have had a lot of changes in the time that I have been at the school I am now at. I recognise and welcome change as I know that ususally it is necessary to raise standards and yes ours need raising badly . However I'm not good with personnel changes . It unnerves me and I find people especially in authority hard to trust . I'm not anti authority , but I am now in this day and age incredibly wary .
    Thanks again .
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  11. rosievoice

    rosievoice Star commenter

    I am / was also a bl00dy great teacher. I wouldn't last ten minutes reading from an approved script. I had a brain and was unafraid to use it at work. The weekly planning we had to submit was only a vague approximation of what I actually did with my KS1 class. I relished the HT's trust in me to teach the curriculum my way, and to tailor it to the children's abilities. My class learnt what they were supposed to learn, and then some. We had fun, we worked hard - it was the best job ever. I made a difference: I'm proud of that.

    When I was driven out of teaching by a bean-counting, soulless parody of a HT, the job had become painful to me and cruel to the pupils. The HT nurtured a Stasi-esque team of spies who would enthusiastically report back snippets of information he could not discover otherwise and the levels of scrutiny and recording were insufferable. Official stats, minutes and results were never exactly as witnesses recalled. Older staff who could remember better times disappeared overnight, and their names were never mentioned. Non-teachers found it difficult to believe my stories. I'm so glad I knew the good times. The last few years, not so much.
  12. rosievoice

    rosievoice Star commenter

    I wish there was a simple solution. Perhaps the existence of a single teachers union (as in professions such as the fire services) would give teachers more clout when objecting to deteriorating working conditions, ill treatment and unnecessary outside tinkering with curriculum content. The status and public perception of teachers is very low, objections are seen as whining by lazy staff who are always on holiday.

    I believe there is a "willingness to do something" but where to start?
  13. slingshotsally

    slingshotsally Star commenter

    I've just read through this thread.

    It's horrifying.

    There must be a school that isn't hell to work in.
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  14. Duke of York

    Duke of York Star commenter

    This is something that's often said on here, but I don't believe to actually be true.

    As a member of the public myself, I can tell you I've never once heard anyone speak negatively about teachers.

    I get it that individuals may have issues with individual teachers, but in the main I'd say the public has quite a high regard for the teaching profession.
  15. Lara mfl 05

    Lara mfl 05 Star commenter

    Thank you for that DoY. As fellow teachers we sometimes can't see perceptions accurately coloured as they are by our own perceptions in school. I'm not sure all members of the public would necessarily agree and sometimes age affects this. The elder generation with whom you mainly work certainly,
    Some of the younger parents who've been on the 'receiving end' of the recent 'too much pressure' in schools may well have different perceptions I believe. These tend to be the ones with whom teachers tend to be in contact with and it may well distort our perceptions.
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  16. smoothnewt

    smoothnewt Lead commenter

    But LO, starters and plenaries are just so "yesterday"! Where I work we're onto the latest incarnation of this. I'd tell you all about it but I'd risk outing myself. If I did tell you, your chins would bounce off the floor in disbelief and sheer gobsmacked wonder. And you'd all laugh - it would be that or weep.

    I'm going at the end of the year, after which I'll write and tell you all about it.

    Last edited: Oct 22, 2017
  17. smoothnewt

    smoothnewt Lead commenter

    misquoted - i'll start again
  18. smoothnewt

    smoothnewt Lead commenter

    Mine used to be, hence I'll have done 29 years here by the time I leave in July - 35 years in total in teaching.

    The rot set in here after a highly successful head teacher set about growing his empire, took his finger off the pulse for too long and was absent too often; the school drifted along happily, getting very good results but when Ofsted came a'calling we were caught short on the paperwork amongst other things and gained a 3. This set the wheels of change in motion: new head, new SLT - some are great but one of them with too much power is straight from the Harris exam factory chain and is bringing the "one-size-fits-all" approach to teaching into every classroom. Morale is now extremely low. I'm lucky as I can access my pension from November 2018 so I'm off next summer.
  19. smoothnewt

    smoothnewt Lead commenter

    We've had a lot of that, and not just older staff.

    We call them "The Disappeared".

    If I hadn't seen it happen I wouldn't have believed it, either.
  20. red_observer

    red_observer Star commenter

    yes but its the UNIONS also who are unwilling to rock the boat.
    a climate of fear has spread across the teaching "profession" a term I use loosely as our professionalism has gone a long time ago. I hate to say this but its true also that there are a lot of teachers with two incomes that reduces a teachers militancy. Teachers are a funny breed...they moan a lot but don't do much about their predicament.
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