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The oldest depiction of Christmas in art

Discussion in 'Personal' started by Johnny_Bluenote, Dec 17, 2015.

  1. Johnny_Bluenote

    Johnny_Bluenote Occasional commenter


    This is a photo of a cast of a sarcophagus that is in the Vatican museums. It shows the scene of the Magi adoring the Christ child and is dated to the 3rd century. I find it very impressive.
  2. cuteinpuce

    cuteinpuce Star commenter

    I love the depiction of the Magi. They're approaching the Christ child at speed!
  3. By_the_Shiny_Brook

    By_the_Shiny_Brook Established commenter

  4. Johnny_Bluenote

    Johnny_Bluenote Occasional commenter

    Yes indeed. Hadn't really noticed that Cuteinpuce. The quality of the brushwork is superb. Picasso would surely have admired this. If only our leading contemporary artists such as Tracy Emin could draw/paint like this!
  5. Johnny_Bluenote

    Johnny_Bluenote Occasional commenter

    Wishing you a glorious Christmas Sir Henry. Great to see you back on here.

    Grunwald also returning would make my day.
  6. RedQuilt

    RedQuilt Star commenter

    It's an incised image, not painted.
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  7. Johnny_Bluenote

    Johnny_Bluenote Occasional commenter

    No I don't think it is. The original image on the sarcophagus has been drawn with some form of pigment.. The confidence in the brushstrokes is astonishing. As I said, Picasso would have been greatly impressed.
  8. magic surf bus

    magic surf bus Star commenter

    Why's Joseph throwing a kung fu star at the Magi? Seems a bit unwelcoming. "No we don't want your bloody frankincense - try getting him a rattle".

    The hand on the figure on the left looks more Bayeux Tapestry era to me - I hope the Vatican had a good provenance for it. On the plus side they do have some good stuff in their museum.
  9. RedQuilt

    RedQuilt Star commenter

    No, the image you posted is a cast of the original carved image with added colour. The original was not drawn, it was carved. It's analysed extensively on the internet if you'd like to check for yourself.
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  10. Johnny_Bluenote

    Johnny_Bluenote Occasional commenter

    Okay, I won't check - I defer to your superior knowledge here. If the original image is carved it's even more impressive.
  11. jacob

    jacob Lead commenter

    Yet another Jonny con.

    The inscription is NOT latin. And all searches on the interweb fail to come up with this. The oldest depiction of the nativity/adoration of the Magi is a freize from 4th cenury. I suspect someone has been doodling. But if Gene believes its real leave it to him!
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  12. Johnny_Bluenote

    Johnny_Bluenote Occasional commenter


    Email us about this page - (Vat_Severa0609_4280LM.htm)
    Christian grave slab


    Grave slab with portrait of the deceased, showing adoration of the magi. Mary sits on a wicker chair, holding toddler (not infant) Jesus. Vatican Museum.


    Got that Jacob? Game, set and match methinks!
  13. grumpydogwoman

    grumpydogwoman Star commenter

    I find it ugly. The wings. The limbs. I agree with @magic surf bus
    I hope there's an authentic provenance. The figure-drawing? What's that style? Where was it found?

    The Latin is provincial. Doesn't make it a fake. But where were they producing line-drawings in that manner in the 3rd century? As an image I dislike it.

    But relics don't need to be 'genuine' to inspire awe. Those who wish to believe will believe.
  14. kibosh

    kibosh Star commenter

    I like the way the calf muscles are delineated, and the back of the knees.
  15. By_the_Shiny_Brook

    By_the_Shiny_Brook Established commenter

    More advanced line drawings were being produced during the 3rd millennium BC Mesopotamia.

    This is a cast.
  16. Johnny_Bluenote

    Johnny_Bluenote Occasional commenter

    St Joseph is the most intriguing character in the picture. He seems to be wearing a see through carpenter's apron.
  17. Johnny_Bluenote

    Johnny_Bluenote Occasional commenter

    This one is pretty old too.

    The Magi before Herod, French 15th-century stained glass
  18. jacob

    jacob Lead commenter

    Not. You have lied on every single thing you have written in over ten years, from the Gene Vincent incarnation, via several flounces, on. This is just the same. Drawn by some kid this year, with an inscription that looks like latin, but has no meaning.
  19. HoratioBlows

    HoratioBlows Senior commenter

    I like this one

  20. By_the_Shiny_Brook

    By_the_Shiny_Brook Established commenter

    God's death. You are are out of your depth Mr.Jacob. Confine yourself to data crunching if you wish to come second to last (at best).

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