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The 'NHS' test and trace - how it really works

Discussion in 'Personal' started by monicabilongame, Sep 17, 2020.

  1. monicabilongame

    monicabilongame Star commenter

  2. LondonCanary

    LondonCanary Star commenter

    Is there any reason all this work wasn't done in house by Department of Heath employees?
     
  3. modelmaker

    modelmaker Star commenter

    Yes. The government didn't want to give the NHS the funds to do the job professionally, prefering as it did to give backhanders to its sponsors. If you have any more quiz questions, could you take the effort to make them a bit more challenging please?
     
  4. racroesus

    racroesus Star commenter

    Deloitte had to try to make money to cover their fine.
     
  5. LondonCanary

    LondonCanary Star commenter

    I did say the Department of Health. Nevertheless, does the nhs have the capacity/capability to manufacture testing kits?
     
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  6. needabreak

    needabreak Star commenter

    Not anymore than they manufacture pharmaceuticals, and other purchased items like glucose testing kits... etc... so on and so forth I would imagine.
     
    LondonCanary likes this.
  7. needabreak

    needabreak Star commenter

    There is a myth that growing a monopolistic public sector is better than buying in certain goods from plc's or ltd's, I'm not sure where it comes from but it is interesting, especially as public works has not really had a broad appeal since Keynes first wrote the General Theory.
     
  8. LondonCanary

    LondonCanary Star commenter

    Perhaps they have an central HR department that could have recruited and trained 25,000 tracers and people to build the IT infrastructure?
     
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  9. needabreak

    needabreak Star commenter

    You do know that for example every time you use the .gov website you are using an Amazon sub contracted facility/subsidiary... their reach is far more wide reaching than delivering items ordered online to your door.
     
  10. modelmaker

    modelmaker Star commenter

    That's a silly question to ask if you don't expect a reply asking whether those who got the contracts have the capacity/capabilitity to manufacture testing kits.

    We had this conversation many years ago, Madge, when I argued that it was ridiculous that the NHS had to pay through the nose for expensive drugs and consumables when an organisation of that size could save a fortune if it had in house manufacturing facilities to do it.

    Your answer back then was along the lines that it would never be able to compete with the private sector. Now that we've had a chance to see how poorly the private sector is performing, do you remain as certain as you once were that the NHS couldn't do better in house?
     
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  11. needabreak

    needabreak Star commenter

    Either way there's no such thing as a free lunch.:oops:
     
    LondonCanary likes this.
  12. LondonCanary

    LondonCanary Star commenter

    So why haven't they built a plant to manufacture generics in the last 60 years?
     
  13. needabreak

    needabreak Star commenter

    Unless you have a controlled experiment to assess the performance of private vs public sector provision there's no real way to know for sure who on balance would perform better, that is probably why we still have something of a mixed economy. I like the mixed economy and would not want to live in a State where the government owned and controlled all business activity... but thats just me... or is it?
     
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  14. needabreak

    needabreak Star commenter

    Not cost effective, big pharma can do so on a global scale and thus benefit from huge EOS and still cover their costs and provide an acceptable profit margin for their investors.
     
  15. LondonCanary

    LondonCanary Star commenter

    I doubt they would have done better on track and trace. A centralised system is part of the failure and the nhs is a slow leviathan. Stuff you cant do yourself, you contract out.
     
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  16. needabreak

    needabreak Star commenter

    As an aside I wonder how those countries who's Governments invested in our rail industry are fairing now demand has fallen due to factors outside anyones control.
     
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  17. needabreak

    needabreak Star commenter

    Who's Madge? I've been posting a while and never got that.
     
  18. Aquamarina1234

    Aquamarina1234 Star commenter

    It's too twisted for anything other than An Enquiry to sort it out.
    It's too late for me to seek out a gif.
     
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  19. needabreak

    needabreak Star commenter

    I agree but unless there's hard evidence of wrong doing to instigate an enquiry why waste money to simply cry over spilt milk, there are far more pressing social issues that funding could be used for.
     
  20. colpee

    colpee Star commenter

    Amazon hosts cloud services and data farms for the US intelligence services on a grand scale.
     

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