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The NEU certainly does not speak for me over their CV stance!! They are shameful.

Discussion in 'Education news' started by Luvsskiing, Apr 16, 2020.

  1. PeterQuint

    PeterQuint Lead commenter

    That’s simply not true.

    I have the news channel on in the background all day. Virologists are regularly on and being asked about this.

    There’s a range of opinion on transmission, but all have been clear that there’s no high evidence either way, and until we know otherwise we should assume they can transmit.

    As for them being unlikely to catch the virus, the evidence is strong there. You’re wrong. Children catch this as easily as anyone.

    People have taken the low mortality rate among children and mistaken that for the ability to catch and transmit, and these are completely different things.

    One thing noted on Monday. Anyone coughing and sneezing less is probably less likely to transmit that way. However, you can still transmit through touch, hence the hand gels.

    Classrooms are full of hard surfaces and hard objects where we know the virus lives. Desks, hard plastic chairs, glue sticks, rulers, pens, shiny text book covers.

    And we’re talking about cramming a lot of people into relatively short spaces, for long periods of time. 16 people in a room for 7 hours a day together?
     
  2. PeterQuint

    PeterQuint Lead commenter

    Here’s the latest:

    https://www.bbc.com/news/health-52003804

    I note “Whether children are spreaders or not remains "one of the many unknowns with the current coronavirus outbreak", says Prof Matthew Snape from the University of Oxford.”

    That’s quite different to the uninformed “All the evidence shows that the groups of children identified for attendance in August are highly unlikely to catch or transmit the virus in any meaningful way.”

    Please stop spreading disinformation.
     
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  3. peter12171

    peter12171 Star commenter

    The problem is, how do we define premature? Is June premature? Will September be premature, as it is likely that the virus will still be around then? Is anything premature until we have a vaccine and the majority of people have been vaccinated to produce the infamous ‘herd immunity’?

    We simply can’t define premature, and won’t be able to until several years down the line. At some point, however, we need to start making a move back.
     
  4. SarcAndSpark

    SarcAndSpark New commenter

    In Denmark, where I believe class sizes are being kept <10 students + 1 adult, they think the R number has increased by 0.3 since schools have gone back. That would probably take us in England back over an R number of 1, which the government claim to be keen to avoid.

    I'm not against a phased return to schools- but I think the current proposals are too much too soon. I think it should probably be one year group at a time, with 2 weeks between each year group going back so that we can see the effect that year group is having on numbers of cases more clearly. I also think teachers should be provided with PPE.

    As a member, I have shared my thoughts with the NEU via the survey they sent out. I've also shared my views with my union rep in school. Personally, I feel glad to have a union that's speaking out and representing the interests of their members, even if I don't 100% agree with everything they've said.
     
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  5. caterpillartobutterfly

    caterpillartobutterfly Star commenter

    I think the perception of premature is 'while death and infection rates are still so high'. Dates are largely an irrelevance.
     
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  6. letap

    letap Occasional commenter

    Corrected.
     
  7. Luvsskiing

    Luvsskiing Established commenter

    The issue isn't 'should schools start returning'. That is the elected Government's decision to make. The issue is the beligerent, obstructive and unhelpful attitude from a few hard left people at the top of the NEU, who are dreaming up barrier after barrier after barrier, without any consultation whatsoever of the half million members, the vast majority of whom are being fully paid and want to get back to work asap.

    These Herberts are driven by their political agenda, not what is best for their members and especially for the children, who are being deprived of an education and are subject to dangers whilst not being in school.

    The NEU needs to firstly consult, secondly stop being so obstructive and thirdly, realise that it isn't the Government but needs to work with them in a positive way, make positive, realistic suggestions.

    Therer are no winners in this pandemic but the hard left agenda-driven NEU leadership are the biggest losers.
     
  8. caterpillartobutterfly

    caterpillartobutterfly Star commenter

    So, presumably, to make this claim, you have consulted with all members?

    And, just for the record, can you tell us what the current stance is from the NEU? What are they working on right now that is so obstructive?
     
  9. Rott Weiler

    Rott Weiler Star commenter Forum guide


    I admire your persistence CTB in trying to get evidence or a reply from Luvsskiing or get him to engage in debate. Good luck :)
     
  10. caterpillartobutterfly

    caterpillartobutterfly Star commenter

    I got back to work tomorrow... got to try while I can!!
     
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  11. Rott Weiler

    Rott Weiler Star commenter Forum guide

    Good luck, let us know how it goes.
     
  12. greygaunt

    greygaunt New commenter

    You are clearly unwilling or unable to engage in a meaningful debate with other posters. Your comments appear to be driven more by your apparent populist right wing prejudices than anything else.
     
  13. caterpillartobutterfly

    caterpillartobutterfly Star commenter

    100 000 members answered a survey after Boris' announcement on Sunday evening.

    7% were in favour of supporting Boris' idea to reopen schools on 1st June.

    7500 teachers/support staff have joined the NEU since Sunday evening's announcement.


    Hmmmm seems the NEU are speaking for teachers...
     
  14. caterpillartobutterfly

    caterpillartobutterfly Star commenter

    A total of 4.5 hours yesterday and today in four different zoom calls.

    Branch extraordinary general meeting: 20 participants

    Training and discussion with regional officers: 10 participants (training is twice a day for about a fortnight, so will be a total of about 200 reps just from my region by the time they finish.)

    National Reps Q&A with Kevin and Mary: over 1500 reps

    Regional Reps Q&A: over 300 reps


    Plenty of consultation going on if you want to get involved.
     
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  15. Lalad

    Lalad Star commenter

    Oops, you forgot to edit again (shakes head)!

    'The NEU leadership is doing its best to work in the interests of teachers and children, by urging the government to work with schools constructively and politely, rather than producing guidelines that have not been thought through. It is to be applauded for its efforts.'


    (You're welcome...again:))
     
  16. Luvsskiing

    Luvsskiing Established commenter

  17. physicsfanboy

    physicsfanboy Occasional commenter

    Your trolling is not funny in this context. This is a serious matter. It is life and death for some. Your amusing interjections are tasteless here. Go away.
     
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  18. peter12171

    peter12171 Star commenter

    It never existed.
     
  19. ridleyrumpus

    ridleyrumpus Star commenter

    "All the evidence shows that the groups of children identified for attendance in August are highly unlikely to catch or transmit the virus in any meaningful way."

    Cough BS Cough
     
  20. ridleyrumpus

    ridleyrumpus Star commenter

    Rubbish.

    It would be a pretty poor Union that didn't demand assurances, backed by evidence, that it was safe for their members to return to work.

    Perhaps it would be better if the gov had included the unions in the planning to reopen.

    By not doing so the gov has left the unions in a no win situation in which they have to take the current stance.

    When making a deal always give the other side an out.
     
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