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The Kindle Club

Discussion in 'Book club' started by TheoGriff, Oct 4, 2010.

  1. Bethannie

    Bethannie New commenter

    Hope you enjoyed your meal out Theo!
    I'm eagerly awaiting my Kindle - which I collect tomorrow.
    As I mentioned on the other thread, I have already ordered books which I understand will be all ready and waiting for me when I switch the Kindle on....Is it possible to set up folders so all my Theology books are in one place, all my novels in another and the German books elsewhere?
    I think I understand how to get newspapers - I'll try for the weekend and come back if I have problems!
     
  2. TheoGriff

    TheoGriff Star commenter

    Yes, these are called Collections on the Kindle.
    Once you've got it, charged it up, turned on the wireless for 10 minutes so it gets itself orientated, you can do MENU, then START A NEW COLLECTION.
    You type in the name you want for the collection, then it shows you your books, and you tick the ones you want in that collection.
    A book can be in more than one collection. If, for example, I had a WhoDunnit in Spanish, it could be in my collection called Mystery and in the one called Spanish.
    Happy Kindling!
     
  3. Bethannie

    Bethannie New commenter

    Well, it has arrived....and oh it is beautiful!
    The screen is amazing - the print looks - well, like print! Just like a book!
    The 40 or so titles I pre-ordered are there - and it is so easy for me to access them. I'm going to set up some collections this afternoon....as well as trying to buy a few titles via the Kindle itself.
    Then tomorrow I may try to get newspapers.
    It will never take the place of a 'real' book - I never intended it to. But I love it already!

     
  4. TheoGriff

    TheoGriff Star commenter

    It's all too easy (he says from having been that Daft Welsh Chap who has done it, and more than once) to buy something you didn't mean to when ordering from the Kindle itself.
    But when it arrives, there's a little bit that says: Bought in error? Click here to cancel your purchase.
    It then gets wiped off your Kindle and you don't have to pay for it.
    Phew!
     
  5. Ok ... helpful thoughts please

    In order to get a feeling for the kindle (considering one)

    I have downloaded for Kindle for the iPhone and MacBook

    The system seems easy enough to buy and download to multiple places so that is good

    My only issue now is the size and the number of words on a page

    ALSO ... people are positive about the "no back light" but how is this a plus ... surely it means I have to have the light n to read in bed
     
  6. TheoGriff

    TheoGriff Star commenter

    I don't have an iPhone (they didn't exist when I was a lad in Wales), so can't tell you about that.
    Yes, or rather, No: Kindle is not backlit. If it were, its screen would be like your computer or your iPhone. And No, you wouldn't be able to read for hours without eye strain. And No, you wouldn't be able to read outdoors in normal daylight yet alone in sunshine.
    So, Yes, you need a light to read in bed, which is why some people have bought a lighted cover. Others have bought a clip-on light. I hear that you can get them at Asda for £9
    http://direct.asda.com/Clip-Light/004060163,default,pd.html
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  7. Thanks

    Also ... what about newspapers ... the screen seems very small for reading a newspaper

    And

    Does the lack of a colour screen bother you?
     
  8. TheoGriff

    TheoGriff Star commenter

    Hm. Just seen that garbage above. Not you, ResourceFinder!
    The papers are fine - the articles just flow over the kindle pages, you aren't looking at a whole newspaper page on one screen, with tiny tiny print to fit it all in. You can change the size of the print on the papers, just like on books.
    You can use calibre software to download the RSS feeds for free from many newspapers. Guardian, Indy, Observer, Telegraph, BBC News, Mail - can't remember what else. Times you have to pay for so I don't. I get a couple every morning, great to read on the train into London on way to work. (Yes, I'm retired, but I do TES One-to-One careers advice meetings a couple of days a week, helping folk with applications or interviews).
    Books are normally monochrome anyway, so having black and white isn't a problem. If you want colour, you go for an iPad or tablet, which are great devices too. But they are not dedicated book readers.
    The thing about the kindle is that you can read in daylight, even strong sunshine on the beach in Spain. Just think of trying to read your mobile phone screen in the street - really tricky. But a kindle you can read just like a book in bright light.
     
  9. I'm thinking of getting a Kindle in the next couple of months but was just wonderign how easy it is to get used to holding and reading using it rather than a 'proper' book? Does it take a bit to adjust to it?
     
  10. TheoGriff

    TheoGriff Star commenter

    I borrowed a Sony e-reader for a few days before making the decision. This was last winter, kindles weren't around much as you had to buy from the States.
    Took me an evening to become really comfortable with it, and I bought a Kindle DX. Now got a Kindle 3 as well.
     
  11. dominant_tonic

    dominant_tonic Established commenter

    hi glitterkid
    Well I found it a little uncomfortable initially as you would expect, (sounds more like a medical procedure doesn't it?), but within a few hours I was happy with it, and wasn't so scared of dropping it either.
    For those still deliberating, here are my pros and cons.
    Pros
    • Amazingly clear screen
    • Easy to hold
    • Easy to use - most of it is intuitive, the gaps caused when intuition are no longer enough, are filled admirably by Theo - he is I suspect, some sort of kindle god, who knows the answer to everything! Thanks Theo [​IMG]
    • Loads of info on the web, loads of free books, and an impressive battery life of a 3 weeks to a month if the wireless is used sparingly.
    • It remebers your page without you having to bookmark it. Just like putting a book face down and going off for ten minutes and picking it up, you will be on the right page as soon as you click on the book.
    Cons
    • Rubbish Tory selections of expensive newspaper subscriptions, though I guess if you are a Tory then that would be okay, so a bit judgemental really, but for me, naff all selection. And expensive. I daresay that will change, and if I could work out how to use calibre feedsthat could be circumvented. I may have to do a Theo emergency call but feel a litle sorry for him, and feel like Kindle really should be employing him as exxpert tip giveer and reviewer.
    Anyway, I love it, and I had the more expensive one because I am currently abroad, and needed to be sure it would work in Korea and the UK (and wherever else I go to teach). I am really pleased with it, and 1 hour from now, I intend to be sat with a glass of wine/fresh coffee (can'r decided) in one hand,feet up and a kindle in the other. but first I have to clean my flat :-( No motivation - and it's only a studio :) lol.
    Ooh, and if you are in the UK, then lucky you - the UK website has on the right the top 100 list of purchased books, and the top 100 list of free ones. The .com website is rubbish in comparison, and has different books for free.
    If you decide to buy one, I am 99.99% sure you will not be disappointed.


     
  12. dominant_tonic

    dominant_tonic Established commenter

    Sounds similar to the one i got in Tescos that doesn't fit! Annoying. Because the kindle has a rounded edge, I cannot get it to sit, so just a word of advice. I may end up buying a proper light as I want it on the plane for Christmas. but still, a small prive to pay for the overall emjoyment of the thing. ;-)
     
  13. TheoGriff

    TheoGriff Star commenter

    OK. Here it is in Very Easy Language. (I needed the V.E.L. myself to begin with, so no problem). This is just for setting up the newspapers, not for other calibre use.
    1) Download calibre (do a google) and install. To do so you will need the Kindle e-mail for your Kindle. Get it from Home/Menu/Settings page 2. BUT: if you have wifi access add not the e-mail given on your kindle (theogriff@kindle.com) but the free wifi e-mail (theogriff@free.kindle.com). Documents e-mailed to the Kindle get charged on 3G, but with the free e-mail get sent for free via wifi.
    It will give you a chance to test the e-mail. If you are lucky it will work. On my 3 machines, 2 don't work (due to Firewall). Doesn't much matter however, see below. Plug your kindle into the computer with your USB lead so that calibre knows that you have a kindle and which one it is. You don't have to leave it in, so once it has read the books on your kindle (there is an extra column with them), you can then click Device on the menu bar, and Eject this device. NB you don't see Device on the menu unless you actually have your kindle plugged in.
    2) In menu bar Preferences, click Common Options (a brown square) then Page Setup, then Output; select Kindle.
    You can ignore the rest.
    3) Now from the menu bar click Fetch News, then Schedule News Download. Go down the list and click on a language and country you fancy - English UK, or Korean, or Serbian, or whatever.
    From the list of papers available in that country, select one. (NB Times is a pay by subscription, but most are free).
    4) Now set up a download. There is now a window next to your chosen news source. Click the tickbox for Schedule. Click the button next to Every day and set a time - it's GMT I suppose. Click save. You can after this then click the Download now bar, to get immediately whatever you have chosen, and see what it's like. It can take up to 7 or 8 minutes for some papers - you will see calibre's little whirring circle in bottom RH of screen as it works away on the job. Clogs up your RAM so that's why it's good to do it in middle of night.
    5) Repeat for any other paper you fancy having too. Good for language learning to have one foreign one. I am afraid that Hullo! magazine is not yet available in English or in Spanish.
    6) If you're lucky you get it e-mailed straight to your kindle, IF your calibre is open (even minimized) AND your machine is not asleep AND the e-mail works through your firewall. I get the download to happen at 5 am, but my netbook sleeps itself, and my desktops won't e-mail, so this is frustrating but not a problem for me as I have alternative . . .
    So all I do first thing is plug the USB lead (left permanently dangling from computer - I bought a spare) into the desktop. It immediately recognises the kindle, calibre has already downloaded the news onto the hard disk at 5 am, and so puts it onto the kindle in about 3 minutes.
    Faster than the kettle.
    Hope this helps!
    P.S. To read the paper, when you open it on your kindle you get an article. Well, obviously! But at bottom of screen it also says
    <Previous article View Section List Next article>
    Five-way controller works here. Click left for previous article (not if it's the 1st one . . .), click right for next article (if it's about the International Monetary Fund or Wayne Rooney - or Cheryl Cole) and click centre to get the section list.
    This gives you for most newspapers sections (News; International; Sport; Magazine, etc) plus a number. If you click eg News you'll get the first article there, use next page to read the rest of it, click right to go to next article. If from the sections screen you click on the number, you'll get a list of the articles in that section with a brief summary. Usually the list goes over several pages so you will need to do Next Page. Click on an article to select and open it, then Next Page to continue reading it.
    You get used to it pretty fast. More pictures than the bought ones (which have none) although the actual number depends on the newspaper itself. Mail has masses, so if there's an interesting article in one paper (Indy mentioned the height of that Arab sheikh's wife, no photo) you can sometimes go to Mail, look down their article list, and find an article that does have a photo. You don't actually have to read the article in the Mail . . .
    P.P.S. I hope you are saving up to buy me (a) a Chrisrmas card (b) a valentine's card. This has taken AGES to flick back and forth from calibre to get the instructions right!


     
  14. Bethannie

    Bethannie New commenter

    Ok....I have had my Kindle for a weekend now - and I love it more with every minute that passes!

    I noticed that Amazon had a copy of an old out-of-print book available on Kindle. I was curious as to whether it was the original or the less-than-wonderful modern retelling. And then I noticed that Amazon offer a free sample of books! Within 2 minutes I had downloaded the first two chapters of the book - and was able to see for myself, in the comfort of my rocking chair, that it was indeed the original version. Without leaving my comfortable seat I was able to access Amazon and buy the complete book! Bliss!.....Guess who now has about 20 free samples on her Kindle!
    Then the newspapers....Theo, I realise that you are happily married, but I think I love you!....I followed your VEL guide and downloaded calibre, then ordered a free German newspaper to be sent this morning. I was a little underwhelmed when it wasn't on my Kindle first thing this moerning - but I re-read your instructions and spotted the tip at the bottom about plugging in the USB and just as you promised, the paper was there before the kettle boiled for my morning cuppa!
    Reading the paper was so easy. It just took a minute to get used to calling up the menu of articles and selectiond what I wanted to read...and the phot quality was really rather good.
    One thing I wasn't impressed with was the read-aloud function...I tried both voices and decided I prefer to sit and read to myself!


    Now, Theo, when you have a moment....I realise you have a life other than helping us out here!....I have found an e-book I would like but it is not on Amazon...it is on the author's own site. She opffers the e-book via GoogleDocs and you pick what format you need (I think the choices were...*checks notes*.....EPUB; HTMLzip; lit; pdf; PRC; or TXT)...and I am totally lost. COuld you tell me if any of those would work on my Kindle - and how to get the book?
     
  15. Bethannie

    Bethannie New commenter

    THeo...don't worry about that last question! I did it! I worked out how to copy the EPUB thing onto Calibre and then send it as an e-mail to my Kindle! And it worked! I feel so proud!

    Just as an update....Mum is getting a Kindle...and she talked about it to my aunt in Germany who also wants one now!
     
  16. TheoGriff

    TheoGriff Star commenter

    Going great guns, Bethie!
    You did right in choosing EPUB. If MOBI (or Kindle) isn't given as an option, then choose EPUB and then Calibre it. Or LIT, which also calibres nicely. Or HTML, but the others are faster.
    See how easy it is to do things from the comfort of your rocking chair!
     
  17. piedwarbler

    piedwarbler New commenter

    I'm a bit concerned about this new "publisher setting prices" thing going on. I think that the books I look at have all gone up recently and I can't find as many sample chapters as I could.

    This is worrying. I hope the publishers and sellers get together and work it out.
     
  18. TheoGriff

    TheoGriff Star commenter

    You're going to have to start getting books from non-Amazon sources!
     
  19. piedwarbler

    piedwarbler New commenter

    Mmmm I did get one, think I need to do more of that, yes.

    Is that what you are doing Theo? How many purchases do you make on Amazon, compared to other sites??
     
  20. TheoGriff

    TheoGriff Star commenter




    Just checked with the Manage my Kindle the list of books bought from Amazon. 57 purchases, but most are under £1. I usually "buy" every special offer book going, so get quite a lot of rather weird fiction that's today's freebie.

    The rest of my books I have got from the various free e-book sites, including Gutenberg of course.

    I like reading in foreign tongues (not German, though, Bethannbie!), so get quite a lot of those. Brazilian Portuguese has a large stock.
     

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