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The IfL: why should we keep it in business?

Discussion in 'Further Education' started by Marley811, Feb 9, 2011.

  1. Not being anti something doesn't make you pro. Do I believe we need a professional body? Well like two thirds of UCU members, yes I do. AreIfL making a poor fist of it? Well, on balance no I don't think they are, I see little difference between them and other professional bodies. Indeed in the more 'professional' sites where IfL is being discussed there is a view that they provide better benefits and value for money than the likes of CIPD (not a member, so I can't judge).
    Am I convinced I am right all the time? No. But I do believe I have the same right as anyone else to express an opinion. If you arefering to those times when I set right the inaccuracies of others, well - I can read so I simply repear what I have read and that happens to be known fact. So it does make me right at those times. My opinion may well be 'wrong' in your eyes, but facts are facts.
    Why do I hide behind a pseudonym? Well, when I joined the terms and conditions (which I bother to read) advise against using your own name as this is an anonymous forum. If I had a 'real name' as my user name it may or it may not be my 'real name'. But hey, you're new here (*sniggers*) so I'll tell you mt name, it's Paul - what's yours?
  2. Apologies for the poor typing, am having serious sticky 'r' and 'f' keyboard problems
  3. Sorry, been meaning to ask for ages, how do you pronounce that - in my head I say something like carry-a-dook.
  4. Welcome to the forum PDent.
    Most of us use pseudonyms and we, as a rule, don't identify our own colleges. This is valuable as it alows to make observations and criticisms that we might otherwise feel inhibited in doing.
    This is an issue that I half agree and half disagree with Chefie. I don't know him/her, but I'm pretty sure he/she is nobody's stooge.
  5. Now 'shirtandtie' I can pronounce, unless you tell me it is '****-tand-ty'
  6. I believe it's 'karry-add-ooch'
    And it's Mr Shirtandtie if you don't mind.
  7. Precisely - I'm a freelance specialist IT tutor who spends most of my time doing commercial (well-paid) teaching to businesses. As my local FE college is about 500yds from my home I also offer my services here - I do about 10hrs/week teaching FE as it's different and fun as the students are generally self-selecting, not sent along by their employers.
    To do this I've needed to qualify as a "teacher" (that was easy!) fill in a lot of dubious paperwork (which I don't mind as I'm sure it creates employemt for somebody), get my teaching observed on a regular basis and join the IfL.
    As far as I can tell my college do want to retain my services, as I'm beating off offers to teach lots more courses, so *they* will be paying my IfL fee.
  8. cariadwch

    cariadwch Established commenter

    Da iawn Crysathei
  9. Dim problem.
  10. It seems there may be a difference between membership and registration. Buried on the IFL's website is this interesting paragraph:
    Please note, if you teach/train in England, in a FE college, including a specialist college or specialist designated institute, or in Learning & Skills Council funded provision other than an FE college i.e. Adult & Community Learning, Emergency & Public Services, MOD & Armed Services, Offender Learning, Voluntary Sector, work Based Learning, or a Teacher Educator, then it is a requirement of the government that you register with the IfL and you do not have to pay a subscription fee.
  11. Unfortunately I just phoned the IfL to check on this, and there is no difference between membership and registration. Apparently the website says 'you do not have to pay a subscription fee' because at the moment, this is still the case for new registrations/memberships. It all changes on the 1st April when everyone will be expexted to renew.
    I'd agree that it definitely reads very ambiguously though.

  12. I read the OP with amazement - I am in exactly the same position. I have told the IfL to stuff it - in fact my letter has been placed on another thread in this forum, but I quote it here for your edification:
    "Dear Sir/Madam

    Since I am no longer active in the education sector, it is with great
    pleasure, relief and enthusiasm that I now inform you that I wish to
    terminate my membership of the Institute for Learning forthwith.

    Please therefore terminate my membership, and please do not attempt to
    take any funds from my accounts. Not that I can see any accounts in my
    membership details, but it's best to be sure and let you know.

    Oh how I will miss your deceptively innocent 'invitations' to submit
    CPD, your special persecution of those who submit CPD early, your
    useless assessments of my CPD and most of all your self-congratulatory

    I sincerely hope that your self-styled organisation will eventually fade
    away into the oblivion that it deserves. Please continue to congratulate
    yourselves on your successes; you will be the only ones that do.

    Good riddance to you."
    Their reply? Here you go:
    "Many thanks for your e-mail and your feedback. I confirm that I have cancelled your membership accordingly though your membership doesn't expire until March 2011."

    Well, no bullying, but they can see I'm no longer in the FE boat I guess.
    I taught ICT to very appreciative and enthusiastic classes for about 20 hours per year - like the OP. The only way to defeat these idiots is for EVERYONE in the country to boycott them. But of course there will always be some who toe the line - what is needed is a MASS boycott where all FE teachers simply don't pay, let them sack us, then what? There'll always be some poor sods coming in at the bottom who don't know what they're letting themselves in for.
    I mean, why SHOULD someone teaching Yoga or basket-making, for leisure classes, have to do CPD? Oh there's always the people who will trot out the old chestnut, "What, you mean you don't believe in bettering yourself?" - well yes I do bu using my own criteria, not someone else's.
    The IFL is like the Emperor. He has no clothes but nobody wants to face up to him and tell him.

  13. I am inclined to agree with everything said above. I wish I had the time to sit down and read all the information they send but by the time I have planned lesson, written lesson plans that include E1 - L2 in groups as diverse as Horticulture and Engineering, down my marking with suitably uplifting comments etc etc I have exceeded my working week by about 15 hours that I already do not get paid for. Do they actually want lecturers?
  14. cariadwch

    cariadwch Established commenter

    I think that this is about to happen.......My partner who works in FE reckons no-one in his dept is going to pay and that sentiment is common in his college. They are ignoring their UCU and ATL reps who say they not risk their jobs and should wait for advice from the union but him and his colleagues are adamant that the IfL should go away and die and the way to do that is simply not pay. Even if 30% fail to pay the IfL will be paralysed.
  15. jilly_mc

    jilly_mc New commenter

    A couple of points:

    <ol>[*] There are many lecturers in Britain today (I forget the actual percentage, I'm sure there'll be some knowledgeable bod on here to remind me) who are currently teaching, but not members of the IfL. There is one such lecturer in our department. When he spoke to our HR department, they said they saw no reason for this to be a problem or to threaten his job. Ergo, boycotting the IfL might not necessarily risk jobs.
    [*] Following the Wolf review it appears that various aspects of compulsory membership of 'professional bodies' and parity between teaching and lecturing staff will be in upheaval. I suspect the IfL is just trying to scare people into paying this sum so that they can have a nice big redundancy package when Gove declares the IfL unnecessary... which seems to me to be inevitable. See various articles re: the Wolf review. </ol>

    Also, regarding the OP, I'm sure I caught sight of a note on the IfL website saying that fractional or part-time staff will have to pay fees on a pro-rata basis... this is definitely worth looking into or contacting the IfL about before shelling out £68 for somebody to pester you about uploading CPD once a year.
  16. I refer you to the actual words from the IfL site:
    "Concessionary rates are available for unemployed members, pre-service, retired members or for members earning below the tax threshold of &pound;6,475. The concessionary rate is based on total income not on hours worked as some are paid much more than others for a few hours tutoring."
    No mention of pro-rata rates, as you can see.

  17. Unfortunately the IfL has nothing to do with democracy. It's a private company run for the benefit of its 'stakeholders' (which do not conclude compulsory members like us), and its main purpose seems to be to screw money out of us in order to fund its officers' lifestyles. The vicious irony of the situation is that the government compels us by law to pay money to a private company which does nothing for us, nothing for education, and nothing to raise the status of FE teaching. We need to get the law repealed asap. Unjust laws are not immovable. Write to your MP and to John Hayes, and join the facebook group http://www.facebook.com/pages/I-disagree-with-the-forced-68-membership-for-the-Institute-For-Learning/167307803316593
    -and DON'T PAY. If nobody pays, where's the IfL? Answer: where it ought to be.
  18. Sorry, meant 'include'.
  20. Really - mine are paying and I was speaking to an ex colleague at the
    weekend who is at another college and the IfL fee is going to be wrapped
    into the next pay settlement.

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