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The Guardian view on why Labour are just a rubbish political party now ....

Discussion in 'Personal' started by frodo_magic, Aug 6, 2020.

  1. frodo_magic

    frodo_magic Occasional commenter


    A very interesting, and honest, discussion on why the Labour Party are truly hopeless at the moment, and have been going back a decade. It's useful to see how this appraisal accepts that despite all of Boris' failings, he's still currently miles ahead in all the polls. Sir K hasn't got anywhere near denting him, despite bombarding him with endless calls for public enquiries, boringly typical requests more details about everything, his pointing out Boris' failure to see into the future, failure to look after the old and so on.

    Perhaps Labour does need to break with the Len McCluskey's of this world to finally stop being seen as a Loony Left Party if it is ever to get back into power?
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  2. red_observer

    red_observer Star commenter

    Oh dear. This thread is started by a Brexiteer Tory journalist and quoting a paper that’s been declining in circulation and long time ago abandoned Labour. It’s Pathetic and old tread.
    hplovegame48 and monicabilongame like this.
  3. Jonntyboy

    Jonntyboy Lead commenter

    It's true though, RO.

    I would actually like to see a new labour party rise up, (but of course not a New Labour party - heaven forbid that Mandelson, Fat Falconer & Co ever return!) based on the old, socialist, christian principles of supporting the weak, helping those worse off, looking after our country's traditional values of decency and fair play. I rated Dennis Skinner far higher than any of the new lot, and I actually knew the formidable Gwyneth Dunwoody and thought the world of her.

    IMO there is room - in fact, need - for a traditional centre-left party and the country would be best served if there were one. Alas, the chances of that, in the Twittering, fake news, biased media frenzies and cultural marxism of today's soundbite identity politics is unlikely, I think.
    red_observer likes this.
  4. red_observer

    red_observer Star commenter

    Too early to assess Kier after a few weeks.
  5. Jonntyboy

    Jonntyboy Lead commenter

    Perhaps. He needs above all to be as honest as possible.
  6. LondonCanary

    LondonCanary Star commenter

    Wrong sort of Guardian opinion piece. Normally we love them.
    Oscillatingass likes this.
  7. fredhaise

    fredhaise New commenter

    He did OK to start with, then he totally messed it up and this is why he will never win a General Election:

  8. Oscillatingass

    Oscillatingass Star commenter

    Spot on.
    alex_teccy likes this.
  9. ajrowing

    ajrowing Star commenter

    I should have thought that the answer is that Keir is up against one of the best, perhaps the best Prime Minister since Churchill.
  10. vannie

    vannie Star commenter

    Yes. That must be it.:confused:
    ajrowing likes this.
  11. hhhh

    hhhh Star commenter

    Well, he admits Johnson's 'failings'...mustn't be doing well if a Tory admits to such, eh?
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  12. alex_teccy

    alex_teccy Star commenter

    He’s just not very good. He comes over as totally non-descript and try’s to agree with everyone. He is a wooden, passionless technocrat. He dodged toxic identity politics at the leadership election by not signing a promise to expel all women from the party, on account of not accepting the trans extremist dogma.

    However, he quick to “take the knee” to the Marxist BLM, thus indicating how quickly he would really fold to the demands of the extreme left to make intersectional doctrine the basis of politics. That will stay with him.

    Labour at the last election came over as nasty, incompetent and extreme. Not everyone hates the Tories, you need to get out of your echo-chamber
    lanokia and Oscillatingass like this.
  13. alex_teccy

    alex_teccy Star commenter

  14. red_observer

    red_observer Star commenter

    That post cheered me up. It was so funny. Thank you. Ha ha
  15. red_observer

    red_observer Star commenter

    Go back to your rock.
    hplovegame48 likes this.
  16. alex_teccy

    alex_teccy Star commenter

    You liked it? Here’s another joke: Labour are going to win the next General Election.
    Oscillatingass likes this.
  17. peter12171

    peter12171 Star commenter

    Maybe Tebbit had a point when he said that the UK is by nature a conservative country (it was unclear whether the ‘c’ should be upper or lower case).
  18. alex_teccy

    alex_teccy Star commenter

    It's not a trivial issue, as Labour supporters like to portray, it's a massive issue. You might like to pretend that that Labour, and probably the Conservatives are on the wrong side of a culture war that's pulling western society apart, but it is happening. If Jeremy Corbyn had not played cosy with the identity politics types he would not have lost the working class and could be in number ten now.

    As the Guardian article points out, there's 10 years of Tory "austerity"- why should Labour loose an election as disastrously as they did?

    Stop laughing and sit up and take notice.
    Oscillatingass likes this.
  19. Morninglover

    Morninglover Star commenter

  20. BillyBobJoe

    BillyBobJoe Lead commenter

    Personally I think there's something wrong with a party for working people that relies on the boss class for funds. Clear conflict of interest.
    Spoofer4114 likes this.

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