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The death penalty - a justice, a deterrent & a mercy

Discussion in 'Personal' started by Vince_Ulam, Dec 13, 2017.

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Should the death penalty be reinstituted?

  1. Yes

    13 vote(s)
    18.3%
  2. No

    58 vote(s)
    81.7%
  1. racroesus

    racroesus Star commenter

    Do you think that Brady was 'hurt' by his incarceration?
     
  2. Vince_Ulam

    Vince_Ulam Star commenter

    False:

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    Wikipedia.org, accessed 13th December 2017.
     
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  3. Vince_Ulam

    Vince_Ulam Star commenter

    If it does not occur to a person that to plan & perform the introduction & ignition of fuel into a house full of children is bad then it's probably best that they are not allowed to remain at large in Society.
     
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  4. blueskydreaming

    blueskydreaming Lead commenter

    How do you prison was a punishment for him? It's a very cushy life, it seems.

    My brother works in a category A prison - prisoners you will have seen on the news, including terrorists. Even the terrorists, normally in solitary, are allowed to fraternise with other inmates, as it's against their human rights to disallow them access to communal prayers, apparently...
     
  5. Dodros

    Dodros Star commenter

    I said "is available" and "tend to be". It would be interesting to pin down which retentionist states actually execute the most condemned prisoners. Some of those states in red just keep the death penalty on the books or place condemned prisoners on "death row" for decades while endless appeals go on. If my memory serves me correctly, when the UK had capital punishment, the death sentence was rarely delayed as long as it appears to be the case States-side.

    As for deterrence, hanging, drawing and quartering was introduced as an aggravated death penalty in the Middle Ages for what was regarded as the extreme crime of treason. It didn't stop people rebelling against the monarchy.
     
    Last edited: Dec 13, 2017
  6. racroesus

    racroesus Star commenter

    I agree with that but prison keeps them from society. Or mental health facilities. Both of these give some hope for their future.
     
  7. Weald56

    Weald56 Established commenter


    When we did have the death penalty juries sometimes acquitted, rather than convicting, as they weren't happy with the death penalty.
     
  8. Vince_Ulam

    Vince_Ulam Star commenter

    You do not think there is a point at which people place themselves beyond hope of redemption?
     
  9. Jolly_Roger1

    Jolly_Roger1 Star commenter

    A state that took the life of such a person would place itself beyond redemption.
     
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  10. Vince_Ulam

    Vince_Ulam Star commenter

    Yes, you were wrong:

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    Wikipedia.org, accessed 13th December 2017.

    Yet they have the death penalty and your attempt to portray the death penalty as something which could only be supported by poor & uneducated people with dubious race politics is broken.
     
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  11. racroesus

    racroesus Star commenter

    Get me at the right time and I would happily throw rocks myself, never mind holding robes but no I don't accept judicial killing after trial. Shooting someone to prevent immediate damage to others is okay in my book but I am aware of difficulty decisions.
    Edited to remove a 'generally' which was a verbal tick.
     
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  12. Vince_Ulam

    Vince_Ulam Star commenter

    How do you support this claim?
     
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  13. elledriver

    elledriver Lead commenter

    It's not the only case because it isn't a case yet. A report of an alleged confession will have to be tested at an appeal.
     
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  14. Vince_Ulam

    Vince_Ulam Star commenter

    Was that yes or no?
     
  15. racroesus

    racroesus Star commenter

    It is a no for donning the black cap and making a pronouncement about being hanged (or whatever the state uses for punishment).
     
  16. Duke of York

    Duke of York Star commenter

    From Wikipedia:

    "He complained bitterly about conditions at Ashworth, which he hated. In 1999, his right wrist was broken in what he claimed was an "hour-long, unprovoked attack" by staff. Brady subsequently went on hunger strike, but while English law allows patients to refuse treatment, those being treated for mental disorders under the Mental Health Act 1983 have no such right if the treatment is for their mental disorder. He was therefore force-fed and transferred to another hospital for tests, after he fell ill. He recovered, and in March 2000 asked for a judicial review of the legality of the decision to force-feed him, but was refused permission.

    "Myra gets the potentially fatal brain condition, whilst I have to fight simply to die. I have had enough. I want nothing, my objective is to die and release myself from this once and for all. So you see my death strike is rational and pragmatic. I'm only sorry I didn't do it decades ago, and I'm eager to leave this cesspit in a coffin.""

    It doesn't sound like he enjoyed his time behind bars much.
     
  17. elledriver

    elledriver Lead commenter

    Like judicial execution, life in solitary is not sanctioned as a punishment in the UK. Also contrary to ECHR I think.
     
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  18. Vince_Ulam

    Vince_Ulam Star commenter

    Then yes while others do what you will not?
     
  19. racroesus

    racroesus Star commenter

    But his situation might have satisfied some need. He never simply gave up.
     
  20. jubilee

    jubilee Star commenter

    That claim about levi Bellfield being the murderer in that case has been debunked. The prisoner who made the claim (saying that LB admitted it to him) has been transferred to another prison.
     

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