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The "dangerous fantasy" comes true

Discussion in 'Personal' started by HoratioBlows, Dec 16, 2015.

  1. HoratioBlows

    HoratioBlows Senior commenter

    The Times has reported that the EU army will soon be able to take control of a country's or countries borders with or without the consent of the countries elected leaders involved. This includes the UK. The proposals, according to the Times, are for a 2,500 border and coast guard armed personnel deployed to areas like Greece and the Balkans.

    Bruno Waterfield and Francis Elliot of the Times liken the force to German soldiers seizing power across Europe:

    “The force, wearing blue armbands and an EU and agency insignia, would be equipped with naval patrol vessels, helicopters and drones, according to plans tabled yesterday by Jean-Claude Juncker, the European Commission president”.

    What was supposed to dominate the European summit - David Cameron's 'renegotiation' demands - will now be dominated by plans for the EU army, pan-European Border Force and Coast Guard. Included in the plans is the statement: “In urgent situations, the agency must be able to step in to ensure action is taken on the ground even where . . . that member state considers there is no need for additional intervention”.

    The cost of the new force is set at €322 million by 2020. David Cameron is said to have already given his support for the plans. Head of EU migration, Commissioner Dimitris Avramopoulos said of the plans, “What we are creating today is more Europe." The new European Border and Coast Guard will have a 1,500-strong force that can be put into action in less than 3 days and having the ability to buy its own equipment instead of relying on donations from member countries.

    For many it is being seen as a hawkish move towards a further power grab using the migrant crisis as justification, with the long-paying European tax payer footing the bill while living under austerity measures. It is being variously described as a "full frontal power grab" by Dianne James, UKIP MEP and “For it to be a structure independent from nation states is astounding . . . an undemocratic structure reporting to no one knows who” by Poland's foreign minister.

    Not only would the force be able to operate within all EU countries, but also in "third countries" where it feels its "necessary to intervene".

    A European Border and Coast Guard to protect Europe's External Borders

    Strasbourg, 15 December 2015

    A European Border and Coast Guard

    The European Border and Coast Guard will bring together a European Border and Coast Guard Agency built from Frontex and the Member States’ authorities responsible for border management, who will continue to exercise the day-to-day management of the external border.

    The new European Border and Coast Guard will have:

    • A rapid reserve pool of border guards and technical equipment: The Agency will be able to draw on at least 1,500 experts that can be deployed in under 3 days. For the first time the Agency will be able to acquire equipment itself and to draw on a pool of technical equipment provided by the Member States. There will no longer be shortages of staff or equipment for European border operations. The new Agency's human resources will more than double that of Frontex, to reach 1,000 permanent staff, including field operatives, by 2020.

    • A monitoring and supervisory role: A monitoring and risk analysis centre will be established to monitor migratory flows towards and within the European Union and to carry out risk analysis and mandatory vulnerability assessments to identify and address weak spots. Liaison officers will be seconded to Member States to ensure presence on the ground where the borders are at risk. The Agency will be able to assess the operational capacity, technical equipment and resources of Member States to face challenges at their external borders and require Member States to take measures to address the situation within a set time-limit in case of vulnerabilities.

    • The right to intervene: Member States can request joint operations and rapid border interventions, and deployment of the European Border and Coast Guard Teams to support these.Where deficiencies persist or where a Member State is under significant migratory pressure putting in peril the Schengen areaand national action is not forthcoming or not enough, the Commission will be able to adopt an implementing decision determining that the situation at a particular section of the external borders requires urgent action at European level.This will allow the Agency to step in and deploy European Border and Coast Guard Teams to ensure that action is taken on the ground even when a Member State is unable or unwilling to take the necessary measures.

    • A mandate to work in third countries: The Agency will have a new mandate to send liaison officers to and launch joint operations with neighbouring third countries, including operating on their territory.
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  2. HoratioBlows

    HoratioBlows Senior commenter

    Let's have a look at the fantasy of this being a "dangerous fantasy"

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  3. HoratioBlows

    HoratioBlows Senior commenter

  4. Didactylos4

    Didactylos4 Star commenter

    It's hardly an army
    A small regiment at best
  5. nomad

    nomad Star commenter

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  6. oldsomeman

    oldsomeman Star commenter

    Oh i liked that last one
  7. oldsomeman

    oldsomeman Star commenter

    not the horse....the debate?
    HoratioBlows likes this.
  8. HoratioBlows

    HoratioBlows Senior commenter

    You think it will stop at 2,500?

    No thoughts on it taking charge of another country's borders without its consent or even taking charge of countries not even in the EU?
  9. Didactylos4

    Didactylos4 Star commenter

  10. doomzebra

    doomzebra Occasional commenter

    I did have a thought on this - HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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  11. HoratioBlows

    HoratioBlows Senior commenter

    You support it?
  12. Didactylos4

    Didactylos4 Star commenter

  13. HoratioBlows

    HoratioBlows Senior commenter

    So you have a thought on it then. Why not say it?
  14. doomzebra

    doomzebra Occasional commenter

    Not having a thought on something surely means neither support nor opposition to it. It is bloody silly to draw inferences otherwise
  15. Scintillant

    Scintillant Star commenter


    Sounds like a winner-winner chicken dinner to me
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  16. lanokia

    lanokia Star commenter

    So the EU is doing what all governments do when faced with a crisis... extending the power of the state. I oppose it but it's an understandable reaction.

    The European media/electorate demand action be taken on the migrant issue... the EU responds as it knows how... it isn't the reaction people want [some people] but it's what was going to happen.

    Just as the reaction to the Euro crisis will most likely be a centralisation of European finances.
  17. Duke_of_Dork

    Duke_of_Dork Occasional commenter

    All those things that are 'just paranoid scaremongering nonsense' where the EU is concerned, always end up being true, which is why it angers the nay-sayers so, when someone spills the beans, like this chap...
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  18. Duke of York

    Duke of York Star commenter

    Oh dear...
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  19. Scintillant

    Scintillant Star commenter


    It's funny, because he's stupid.
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  20. Scintillant

    Scintillant Star commenter

    Does he dye his eyebrows?

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