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The avant-garde thread

Discussion in 'Personal' started by NoseyMatronType, Jun 4, 2020.

  1. NoseyMatronType

    NoseyMatronType Star commenter

    This thread was inspired by Kandahar.

    Am just interested in anything or anybody that is/are considered avant-garde that posters either like or dislike for whatever reason.
  2. NoseyMatronType

    NoseyMatronType Star commenter

  3. magic surf bus

    magic surf bus Star commenter

    Les Voyageurs bronze statues by Bruno Catalano - do they count?
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  4. NoseyMatronType

    NoseyMatronType Star commenter

    Well, I am not being judgemental but am genuinely interested in anything that people think falls into this category and that either works or doesn’t come off.
  5. colpee

    colpee Star commenter

    Av Garde

    Avante Garde
  6. Doitforfree

    Doitforfree Star commenter

    I can get that effect by putting a background on when I'm on a zoom call and then holding a piece of paper in front of me. Endless fun.
  7. Kandahar

    Kandahar Star commenter

    Where would we be without dear old Gilbert and George

    Whilst performance had been raging for decades madly across the pond, here in Great Britain...calm normality.
  8. NoseyMatronType

    NoseyMatronType Star commenter

    That is brilliant Kandahar. Put a smile on my face.
  9. NoseyMatronType

    NoseyMatronType Star commenter

  10. Kandahar

    Kandahar Star commenter

    Indeed. And the amazing thing is that they have continued the pretence: life as art right up into old age.
    The Bonzo dog band - bought their single 'I'm gonna bring a watermelon (to my girl tonight) - was it around 1965?
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  11. Oscillatingass

    Oscillatingass Star commenter

    Indeed, The Bonzo Dog Doo-Dah Band. Loved them.
  12. Jonntyboy

    Jonntyboy Lead commenter

    Blasted French... they get in everywhere, interfering with our language. :D
  13. lanokia

    lanokia Star commenter

    I'm not very good with art... I mainly approach it aesthetically and I suspect my tastes remain rather safe...

    But would the novel "Bug Jack Baron" by Norman Spinrad qualify? It certainly seems to fit the definition as I understand it... experimental, unacceptable, against societal norms...

    And I like it...
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  14. Oscillatingass

    Oscillatingass Star commenter

    The poetry of ee cummings
  15. Oscillatingass

    Oscillatingass Star commenter

    Fripp and Eno.
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  16. NoseyMatronType

    NoseyMatronType Star commenter

    I don’t know but didn’t he write a novel about Hitler?

    Just thought that it was important to get a Hitler reference into an avant-garde thread as soon as possible.

    But I think he really did.

    Anyway, a heartfelt non avant-garde apology to anyone that has contributed to this thread so far that I have ever slighted on here.
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  17. NoseyMatronType

    NoseyMatronType Star commenter

    He’s been making some home videos with his Mrs recently.

    I am a bit jealous because I always fancied Toyah.
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  18. lanokia

    lanokia Star commenter

    He did... The Iron Dream.

    Ursula Le Guin said about it: "We are forced, insofar as we can continue to read the book seriously, to think, not about Adolf Hitler and his historic crimes—Hitler is simply the distancing medium—but to think about ourselves: our moral assumptions, our ideas of heroism, our desires to lead or to be led, our righteous wars. What Spinrad is trying to tell us is that it is happening here."

    I pilched that from Wikipedia but she was a woman of fine taste and understanding. A complex novel which was banned in Germany for 25 years.
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  19. NoseyMatronType

    NoseyMatronType Star commenter


    There you go. I am now seriously interested in reading this.
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  20. lanokia

    lanokia Star commenter

    It's not got much to do with Hitler... it's more about how we craft heroic narratives... for example, Genghis Khan... by all modern standards he's an utter monster... yet he's the national hero of Mongolia and most history types have a grudging admiration for the old slaughterer.

    If the Axis had won WW2, it'd be Churchill and Roosevelt [I won't include Stalin, his name is dirt to most] who'd be the villains.

    So the book plays on that and goes against fantasy tropes of the brave heroic white muscular man righting wrongs across a barbaric landscape [think Conan with a tache]... nowt wrong with that trope, but when you apply it through the lens of "Hitler" it looks decidedly dodgy.
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