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The abortion debate re-ignited.

Discussion in 'Personal' started by MAGAorMIGA, May 15, 2019.

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    MAGAorMIGA Star commenter

    Those who may have thought that abortion was no longer a debate to be had in America have been sadly disabused. State after state is passing unworkable extreme laws the lawmakers have no intention of putting into practice. No abortion once a foetal heartbeat is detectable, 99 years in prison for any doctor who performs an abortion. No abortion in cases of rape or incest. It's mind-boggling. I am the last person to wish ill on the lawmakers or their families, but I wonder how they would react if it was an 11-year old girl in Terri Collins' family who became pregnant by her rapist, or a doctor in her family who was given a whole-life term for carrying out a termination on that little girl?

    Just as all politics these days seems to be utterly polarised and sensible compromises cannot be reached, the abortion issue too is being treated like that. Where are the sensible adults?
  2. LondonCanary

    LondonCanary Star commenter

    Sbortion reduces future crime rates. Conservatives should support it.
  3. Vince_Ulam

    Vince_Ulam Star commenter

    Anticipatory executions. Eugenics under the guise of feminism.

    MAGAorMIGA Star commenter

    It's not "eugenics". It's a woman making the choice (often under desperately sad circumstances) not to carry her pregnancy to term. It's noticeable that those states most eager to end abortion are those which spend the least on education, public healthcare and welfare programmes.
  5. Vince_Ulam

    Vince_Ulam Star commenter

    Yes, it is. Those accessing abortion are overwhelmingly of low socio-economic status, those accessing abortion more than once are more likely to be of black heritage.

    Few & far between. Abortion is overwhelmingly a lifestyle choice.

    As abortion rates diminish then you can be sure that those spends will increase.
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  6. InkyP

    InkyP Star commenter

    You can't ban abortion, you can only ban safe, legal abortion.

    It's a pity the people that voted for this don't care more about the babies and children that are already born. That could even have the effect of making some women less likely to choose abortion.
  7. LondonCanary

    LondonCanary Star commenter

    I don't think it should be discouraged.

    MAGAorMIGA Star commenter

    Abortion has become a cultural totem in what is regarded as a culture war, and it seems no sensible, rational debate based on the science is no longer possible.
  9. Vince_Ulam

    Vince_Ulam Star commenter

    When you are ready.
  10. amoral_savoy_mink

    amoral_savoy_mink New commenter

    No abortion is safe for the baby.
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  11. LondonCanary

    LondonCanary Star commenter

    I think abortion is a moral issue rather than a scientific one.
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  12. Geoff Thomas

    Geoff Thomas Star commenter

    Science and reason have no value in raptureland.
  13. peakster

    peakster Star commenter

    Not much to do with abortion - but here's an interesting Trump fact for you.

    The Trump administration has about 700 positions that require a hearing in the senate to confirm them (in other words he can't just pick someone and stick them in).

    Would you care to guess how many of these 700 positions are currently unfilled ?


  14. irs1054

    irs1054 Star commenter

    Agreed. The moral issue here is: Does a pregnant woman have the same human rights as a non-pregnant woman?

    If the answer is to be yes then the fetus inside the pregnant woman cannot be afforded any rights because to do so inevitably reduces the pregnant woman to a mere receptacle for the fetus without even the right to life.
  15. MAGAorMIGA

    MAGAorMIGA Star commenter

    Because of course some people's morals are so much better than other people's.
  16. Vince_Ulam

    Vince_Ulam Star commenter

    Incorrect: Pregnancy & childbirth rarely result in the death of women.
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  17. MAGAorMIGA

    MAGAorMIGA Star commenter

    What is the scientific basis for making abortion illegal before 22 weeks? How many foetuses of 20 weeks' gestation have survived? Ever? I'll tell you. None. Not one. Zilch. Nada. Zero. Hence 22 weeks, where there is a 3% chance of survival (though serious medical complications are almost certain in a baby born so early) should be the limit.
  18. Vince_Ulam

    Vince_Ulam Star commenter

    Some people think it is fine for babies to be killed and others do not.

    These current events in the USA are a natural consequence of mad people calling for full-term abortions. Moloch got greedy.

    amoral_savoy_mink likes this.
  19. Vince_Ulam

    Vince_Ulam Star commenter

    What is the scientific basis for abortion?
  20. MAGAorMIGA

    MAGAorMIGA Star commenter

    My great-grandmother had 13 children. Her sister had eleven. Their mother had fourteen. Such was the lot of women before the availability of contraception and abortion. I don't suppose any of those women chose to have so many children, but perhaps they thought themselves lucky compared to the mother's sister, who died of an infection giving birth to her first child. Medical advances are such that such drudgery and danger is no longer necessary. The scientific case for abortion is simply that, for those women who do not wish to continue their pregnancy, the possibility is there. It's a huge advance over the old days, where women went on with it, having child after child, with workhouses stuffed full of the human flotsam which resulted.
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