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Ten plus predictions for the Tory Apocalypse.

Discussion in 'Personal' started by Ivartheboneless, Dec 13, 2019.

  1. Ivartheboneless

    Ivartheboneless Star commenter

    Having had my Victor Meldrew moment.
    Here are some predictions for what the Tories will do now that they have the mandate.
    1. Brexit crash out. Massive price rises and some things unavailable. Trade agreements might be negotiated, but not on favourable terms to the UK.
    2. Money “promised” to the NHS will not be forthcoming. Expect NHS charges at point of service, higher prescription charges, charges to see GP, charges for hospital outpatients, maybe even charges for using A&E. There will be a contraction in NHS services as “foreign” doctors and nurses will effectively be hounded out.
    3. Industry. Tata will dump steel and sod off. All remaining car manufacturers will close (Toyota, Ford, Nissan, JLR. Foreign ownership of utilities will be further encouraged.
    4. Car manufacturers will be able to dump their polluting models on us because HMG will revoke the Euro 6 directives on emissions.
    5. No improvements to rail services, or bus services, franchises will continue to be total pants except where there is a profit to be made.
    6. They will come after your pensions, including revoking the “triple lock” on state pension. Age related rises will be brought forward. Those women who thought they might get compensated for loss of pension due to age synchronisation will get nothing.
    7. Increase in corporation tax proposed will not occur. It might even be further reduced
    8. Big companies that pay little tax like Amazon, Google, Ebay will not have any increases imposed, and will carry on as before. No UK tax havens will be closed or restricted in any way.
    9. Uber will be reinstated with zero hours contracts becoming the norm everywhere.
    10.Minimum wage will be stagnated. Benefits will be cut further including worsening of Universal Credit to guarantee people are even poorer. There will be a new definition of “poor” to show that no such exist.
    11.VaT will rise, and be applied to more things.
    12.Crime will rise as the supposed extra police will not be recruited now (the do not have to any longer, they won).
    13.HS2 will get the go ahead.
    14.They will find some way to tax the air that you breathe, even when it is heavily polluted (maybe not, but they would if they could).
     
  2. Lara mfl 05

    Lara mfl 05 Star commenter

    Not at all gloomy then Ivar! ;)
     
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  3. sbkrobson

    sbkrobson Star commenter

    I have an uncomfortable feeling about our collaboration with the US as from now. The signs are all there.
    This was not negated when last night the first revealing of the exit poll was accompanied almost instantly by the presenter saying something like "...and I would also like to wish a very warm welcome to all our viewers who have taken the time to tune in from America-good to see you!"
    Did anybody else spot that (BBC)?
    Why? What a completely out of the blue comment. And fancy that, at precisely the moment a Conservative win appeared to be undeniable. Nobody else was welcomed. Yet the BBC broadcasts in over 200 countries, regions and territories globally.
    Welcome America!
    How is that relevant?
    Unless we are about to embark on a Special Relationship.
    **Shudders**
     
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  4. florian gassmann

    florian gassmann Star commenter

    Was it because BBC America joined the broadcast at that point?

    But were they also starting to join the election broadcast at that point?

    We embarked on the special relationship in 1946.
     
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  5. Oscillatingass

    Oscillatingass Star commenter

    No it was clearly the BBC preparing the way for a US takeover of UK interests.;)
     
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  6. moscowbore

    moscowbore Lead commenter

    Ivar you forget the proposed changes to state education in England.
    The much vaunted extra funding will never materialise. A new packet of pencils will be purchased by a primary teacher in Hull and it will be spun out to seem like 60 new schools have been built.
    A newly strengthened OFSTED will ensure that all schools become academies and all English schools will eventually belong to 2 or 3 MATs, thus privatising English state education.
    Funding to state schools will be cut and cut ensuring the eventual breakdown of state education.
    I would add that universal credit will be cut and people will be starved back to taking zero hours contracts, thus proving that universal credit helps get people back into employment.
     
  7. blazer

    blazer Star commenter

    Wasn't it 1776?
     
  8. a1976

    a1976 Occasional commenter

    Or...

    1. You get your pay rise which won't' be offset by increased taxes (taxed to the max, I should say).
    2. Parents get to choose what they think is the best option for their child's education Who said it was any of the government's damn business how parents education their child in terms of state or independent.
    3. We continue with the economic growth and save ourselves some embarrassment in the future by not having to beg to the IMF.
    4. A tightly controlled immigration system that favours high skilled professionals in the medical profession and in businesses. Not teachers of course because the last labour government proved that anyone can teach (e.g. cover supervisors and academy heads).
    5. I can own my business
    6. Less housing because less people which means the countryside is protected.
     
  9. a1976

    a1976 Occasional commenter

    By the way, in terms of the 'special relationship', it won't be any different to the one we have now. We may have free trade with them which is fine. I certainly didn't see any marxists protesting the EU-US free trade agreement.
     
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  10. Norsemaid

    Norsemaid Lead commenter

    We can only hope that DT somehow won't be in power , however the way things are going I can see him being elected again .
    DT already said in a tweet( I've paraphrased it ) he's ready and waiting to do deals after Brexit with the UK.
     
  11. CheeseMongler

    CheeseMongler Lead commenter

    My prediction (or prayer) for the Tory apocalypse is that it won't happen. Not that I disagree with any of your points Ivar, I'm just trying to be optimistic.My predictions / hopes are;
    1. Johnson will have completely underestimated Brexit and the trade deal arrangements. They continue to drag on for the duration of his term meaning he cannot destroy public services to the extent that he wants.
    2. If Brexit is ever finally resolved, the appeal of the top job will be too much for the rest of the Tory MPs. They couldn't wait to stab each other in the back to get a chance at the poisoned chalice that TM held... with a majority in the commons and no Brexit headache, I can't imagine they'll continue to turn a blind eye to some of Johnson's indiscretions. You know things are bad when you're willing on Gove.
     
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  12. Duke of York

    Duke of York Star commenter

    Some more predictions here. https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/en...f365f8e4b04bcba182cd00?utm_hp_ref=uk-politics

    "Now that Johnson has been returned so emphatically to 10 Downing Street, evicting him from it will be easier said than done. There was not a word in the Conservative manifesto about the Boundary Commission, but rest assured that “fixing” the boundaries between constituencies in the Tories’ favour will be an early priority. The rise in the fortunes of the SNP means Scottish independence now seems all but inevitable, but what will Johnson care with an English nationalist rump where his party will be all but impregnable?

    What alarms me more than that – and even more than Brexit – was buried away on page 48 of Johnson’s manifesto. There in black and white, he talked about how he saw a need to look at the broader aspects of our constitution: the relationship between the government, parliament and the courts; the functioning of the royal prerogative; the role of the House of Lords; and access to justice for ordinary people.

    Just as disturbingly, he talked about extending the powers of our security services, tinkering with the Human Rights Act and even judicial review to ensure that it is not “abused” to conduct politics by “another means” or to create “needless delays” to legislative programmes.

    At various junctures in the Brexit process, there have been pauses where it’s been necessary for someone to point out that it’s going to be a bit more costly than was originally envisaged during the EU referendum of 2016. This has happened a great many times now, and each announcement has added billions to the bill, but the cost is no longer simply about money, but basic freedoms that we once took for granted.

    As they say to alcoholics, it’s going to be necessary for us now to hit rock bottom before we can start to recover."
     
  13. moonpenny

    moonpenny Occasional commenter

    I really worry about the universal credit system which is currently having a really negative impact because of the benefit cap.

    Lots of people paying high rents but not earning enough or receiving enough UC to pay the rent which has a knock on effect on affording bills, food , money to live off.

    add ruthless sanctioning and people are being left with no money at all for weeks on end,

    I think the amount of homeless people in our cities will continue to rise very rapidly

    The changes to benefits received by those with disability or long term ill health has led to people being forced into work when they are not well enough and cases of people taking their own lives or dropping dead while being told they are fit to work.

    Lots of people in their early 60 s not well enough to work full time but not able to get their pension so also relying on UC to some extent.

    if you are earning a teacher’s wage or have a decent teachers pension, it will probably be fine to carry on limping through unless they come after teachers pensions which they probably will

    so many teachers will probably be ok right now but a few years down the line when people are expected to still be teaching in their late 60s, they could well find themselves in the same situation as described earlier....after the age of 60 , it gets more and more likely that some sort of ill health condition will develop meaning it will be hard to keep on working full time or even part time in a teaching role or maybe any other role

    Conservative policies are all well and good if you have a good income, a secure home and / or good health .
     
  14. a1976

    a1976 Occasional commenter

    We? Speak for yourself! I hope he wins big time!
     
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  15. oldsomeman

    oldsomeman Star commenter

    Sometimes I think that this forum might contain the biggest set of doom-mongers I have come across!
    Never happy, never content, willing to pan all before its even started, and to see evil in all good!
    Come back in a few weeks then we can see
    For the moment it sounds like sour grapes as your favourite party is trashed and its leader is not even willing to admit he was a problem, even though labour voters, who voted conservative, stated they did so because of Corbyn, along with for once honest Labour MP wannabe on tv.
     
  16. a1976

    a1976 Occasional commenter

    I always vote conservative but this election was a serious one for me. Why? Because I don't think it's any of the government's damn business if I choose to send my child to an independent school. I remember those nasty years as a teacher and all of the backbiting colleagues and SLT who always preach equality and tolerance, oh, yeah...respect and that bullying will not be tolerated. I hope this election is a slap in their collectives faces.
     
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  17. Aquamarina1234

    Aquamarina1234 Star commenter

    When saw the thread title I thought "Ey oop, ivar's gone all positive!"
    But it turned out the plus only meant "in excess of 10"
     
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  18. Ivartheboneless

    Ivartheboneless Star commenter

    Nonsense. There won't be any payrises. They don't need to now! Their "apocalypse" mandate means they can do waht the hell they want, and they will! There will be no money for education, and private schools will continue to suck money off the taxpayers. What economic growth? It has flatlined and never got back to pre-crash levels. You can own your own business, good luck with that, bankruptcy is not so bad they say (you can run off to the Costas and not be extradited oweing millions). How less housing? We are about 3 million short now. Are they planning a holocaust? I thought they would just wait for the NHS to be unaffordable for mass deaths. to reduce the population. Like they care.
     
  19. a1976

    a1976 Occasional commenter

    I don't think teachers need a pay rise now. Chances are that money will go to bloated SLT anyway. Private schools sucking money from the state, LOL! So where is written in stone that state schools HAVE to have a monopoly on educating our young people? They do not. It's called competition. If parents don't like state schools, they send them to private. Who said it should be the state's responsibility for education? I see people (lazy ones) that work in these schools and perhaps a few liberal/marxist minded champagne socialist parents fearing that they will no longer be able to indoctrinate the youth of Britain.

    The labour party = The party of envy and the "I'm poor because you're rich" brigade and schools are rife with people who think that way.
     
  20. catmother

    catmother Star commenter

    My favourite party did very well!
     
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